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Bidding over a preempt at the 3 level

#1 User is offline   ArcLight 

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Posted 2008-April-28, 21:19

RHO is vulnerable and opens 3 Vuln (7 card suit)

What do you bid (non Vuln) at IMPS holding:
K Q T 9 7 6
K Q
x x x
x x


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Bidding goes

3 p p 3
p ?

Now what do you bid?
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Posted 2008-April-28, 21:28

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Posted 2008-April-28, 23:26

3S
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Posted 2008-April-29, 00:39

3. I'm on the fence about my pass the previous round, but I guess I agree.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 00:56

Hi,

3S, the hand is dead min, ... but I cant bring
myself to see me passing.

Having passed the first time, I now bid 4S, a
fit jump.
As it is, 4S may well be influenced by my
intention to bid 3S the round before.

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Posted 2008-April-29, 01:46

The first pass is completely clear, overcalling at the 3 level is just plain undisciplined with this hand and very poor.

Over 3D I just bid 3S, don't see much reason to do anything else.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 06:17

Jlall, on Apr 29 2008, 02:46 AM, said:

The first pass is completely clear, overcalling at the 3 level is just plain undisciplined with this hand and very poor.

Over 3D I just bid 3S, don't see much reason to do anything else.

You don't think that two K-Q combo's, three-card support, and a spade suit playable opposite a stiff Jack is worthy of a fit-jump?
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Posted 2008-April-29, 07:33

Wow a fit-jump, I didn't realize that was the intention.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 07:49

The bidding now goes


3 p p 3
p 3 p 4
p ?

What do you bid now?
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Posted 2008-April-29, 07:52

I had bid pass/3 Spade/pass.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 08:05

pass/3/4.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 09:24

Jlall, on Apr 29 2008, 02:46 AM, said:

The first pass is completely clear, overcalling at the 3 level is just plain undisciplined with this hand and very poor.

Over 3D I just bid 3S, don't see much reason to do anything else.

agree.. actually this is a wtp? for both calls
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Posted 2008-April-29, 09:59

Pass first, I simply need a bit (and that is all it is) more for 3.

3 the 2nd time, although I don't hate 4, perhaps we belong elsewhere and perhaps PD just scraped up the balancing 3 bid and game has no chance.

Hmmm..the 3rd time..well since PD voluntarily repeated his and one would expect if he wanted to continue to game, he'd raise with Hx, I suspect that we rate to hold a combined 7.5 and 9.5. But does that mean that 5 is better than 4 ?

I am totally on the fence between 4 and 5 now. Perhaps pass is correct and we have no game, but I am bidding game here. I lean very slightly towards the 10 trick game with 4 but must admit I'll run to 5 if doubled.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 10:12

With spade tolerance, p would have bid 4 rather than 4 I think.

I pass now. My hand is not worth much in the absence of a spades fit.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 10:25

Passing is crystal clear over a 3 level preempt.

3 looks kind of obvious, but wouldn't you make the same call with something like: KQxxx, Axxx, x, xxx? I'm really afraid of pard passing with something like: Jx Axx AKxxxx xx so I'll bite the bullet and bid 4.

I don't define this as a FJ by the way.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 10:26

I'd bid 4S now.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-29, 10:28

What is all this talk about fit jumps? Game bids are never fit jumps. If you bid 4 it's to play 4. Anyway passing over 3 is clear, and I definitely think 3 is correct the next round though sure 4 bidders will have some victories.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 10:59

I should have posted the full sequence: (what to do over 4)

3 p p 3
p 3 p 4
p ?

Do you bid 4S? 5D? Pass?

Why?
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Posted 2008-April-29, 11:06

ArcLight, on Apr 29 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

I should have posted the full sequence:  (what to do over 4)

3 p p 3
p 3 p 4
p ?

Do you bid 4S? 5D?  Pass?

Why?

4 looks right now. It pays off big when it makes. 5 could be right, but pard would have to have a very specific hand like: x Axxx AKJxxxx x.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:24

4 after th 4 rebid
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