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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2008-April-13, 21:34

P-(p)-1♥-(4♠),
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Scoring is imps.

You decided to be disciplined for a hand and pass this initially, and now you've been preempted like you deserve. What now?
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Posted 2008-April-13, 22:02

I double. We have, likely, between 9 and 12 tricks in hearts and no way to explore and I expect them to go set if partner has a decent hand.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 22:14

Double. Partner's 3rd seat 1♥ opening can be highly variable, and your hand is very defensive despite the 4 hearts.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 22:19

5♥. This is IMPs. Doubling could easily lead to a double doubled game swing.

I would be more comforable if I knew my partner's opening bid style in 3rd seat. In any event, doubling does not guarantee a plus.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 22:22

ArtK78, on Apr 13 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

5♥. This is IMPs. Doubling could easily lead to a double doubled game swing.

I would be more comforable if I knew my partner's opening bid style in 3rd seat. In any event, doubling does not guarantee a plus.

Partner is an aggressive 3rd seat opener, but less so at these colors.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:05

Classic double.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:10

x
wtp? :)
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:15

Double WTP.

Way too balanced to be bidding at the 5 level.
I agree that making the ridiculous pass as dealer deserves this problem. As it happens, though, you might not be any better off after the disciplined 1♣ opening:

1♣ - pass - 1♥ - 4♠
pass - pass - double - pass
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That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:20

mike777, on Apr 13 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

x
wtp? :)

The problem is illustrated by looking at all 4 hands.

Scoring: IMP


4 spades happens to make. Looking just at the N-S hands, I would want to be in a vulnerable 5 heart game, even if it is off 2 on the actual layout.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:21

5H because we dont open too light in 3rd, seat otherwise X.
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Posted 2008-April-13, 23:26

CSGibson, on Apr 14 2008, 12:20 AM, said:

mike777, on Apr 13 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

x
wtp? :)

The problem is illustrated by looking at all 4 hands.

Scoring: IMP


4 spades happens to make. Looking just at the N-S hands, I would want to be in a vulnerable 5 heart game, even if it is off 2 on the actual layout.

1) if we open 12 hcp we open south hand ..if not then
2) x of 4s is not 100% penalty......north needs to decide..defense or offense....
3) with 6-4 hand i lean towards not defending but.......not easy
4) yes sometimes they make 15 hcp games when we have 25 hcp opps.....
5) If only this was the worst disaster hand I ever have...:)
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Posted 2008-April-14, 16:31

pclayton, on Apr 14 2008, 05:05 PM, said:

Classic double.

Really.

I would prefer fewer hearts.

I bid 5♥ I am not doubling with undisclosed four-card trump support.
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Posted 2008-April-14, 16:39

X, wtp?

I am bal. I have defensive.

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Posted 2008-April-15, 00:49

Cascade, on Apr 15 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 14 2008, 05:05 PM, said:

Classic double.

Really.

I would prefer fewer hearts.

I bid 5♥ I am not doubling with undisclosed four-card trump support.

what he said.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 12:30

Would have doubled
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Posted 2008-April-15, 12:34

5♥ wtp? It may be down but we can't not show our support.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-April-15, 12:57

What's disciplined about passing this in first seat "for a hand"? If you generally open these hands then passing is undisciplined.

Now this is an extremely uncomfortable position given what my partner opens on in third seat. I can't afford to pass, double with 4-card support is terrible and 5H could easily be very expensive.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-15, 13:12

Apollo81, on Apr 15 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

Would have doubled

Would have opened.
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