Another natural auction?
#1
Posted 2008-April-11, 22:24
AJxxx
x
AJx
Jxx
Qx
Axxx
KQ10x
How would you bid these two? Again south is the dealer at IMPs.
- hrothgar
#3
Posted 2008-April-11, 23:30
1♣ - 1♦
1NT - 2♦
2♥ - 2♠
Opener having this far showed a balanced 11-14 with Hx in hearts, responder a GF with 44+ in the majors.
IF opener then continue 2NT (showing 3244), we might bid:
2NT - 3♣
3♦ - 3♥
4♥
Where opener expresses doubt about his diamond holding being sufficient for 3NT.
However, opener might chose to bid 3NT at an earlier opportunity.
Harald
#4
Posted 2008-April-11, 23:57
1NT 2♦ (gf)
2NT 3♠
4♥ P
5-6 bids 3♠ over 1NT, and if north was 4531 with just game values he would bid 3NT over 2NT, so south knows not to bid 3NT having already shown the hand type.
#5
Posted 2008-April-12, 02:00
1D (1) - 1H (2)
1NT (3) - 2C (4)
2NT (5) - 3NT (6)
(1) SAYC style
(2) SAYC style
(3) SAYC style, i.e. 12-14, denies 4 spades
(4) NMF
(5) denies 3 hearts
(6) what else?
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#7
Posted 2008-April-12, 07:16
-P.J. Painter.
#8
Posted 2008-April-12, 07:35
kenrexford, on Apr 12 2008, 03:16 PM, said:
If I or my partner is on your left, you'll face a diamond lead from 3, 4 or 5 - maybe also from a doubleton.
Harald
#9
Posted 2008-April-12, 07:41
skaeran, on Apr 12 2008, 08:35 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Apr 12 2008, 03:16 PM, said:
If I or my partner is on your left, you'll face a diamond lead from 3, 4 or 5 - maybe also from a doubleton.
I'd prefer you to my left, at the other table.
-P.J. Painter.
#10
Posted 2008-April-12, 08:18
jdonn, on Apr 12 2008, 12:57 AM, said:
1NT 2♦ (gf)
2NT 3♠
4♥ P
5-6 bids 3♠ over 1NT, and if north was 4531 with just game values he would bid 3NT over 2NT, so south knows not to bid 3NT having already shown the hand type.
Hmm, I thought 1C-1H-1NT-3S was a self splinter, and that with 5-6 you'd bid 2S and then 3S. What does that auction mean for you?
Our (transfer-walsh) auction was similar to:
1C - 1H
1NT - 2S
2NT - 3C
3H - 3S
3NT
- hrothgar
#11
Posted 2008-April-12, 09:58
#12
Posted 2008-April-12, 10:12
1NT - 2D*
2H* - 2S
2NT - 3C
3H - 4H
2D = shows 5 hearts, forces 2H
2S = 4-5 at least invitational
2NT = minimum
3C = pattern
#13
Posted 2008-April-12, 10:15
Double dummy, this seems to only be in jeopardy if RHO has 5+ diamonds and the spade King. If RHO must have 5+ diamonds, then LHO must have three or fewer diamonds. That seems to make the odds beter than 10:8 in our favor. Or, the 3NT game is better than a 56% likely makers.
A heart game, in contrast, when the spade hook fails, turns on losing only two hearts. If hearts split 4-2, a diamond lead causes similar problems. You win the diamond and eventually lose a heart before pulling the last trump. Another diamond reduces you to equal trumps. Even if you can pull their trumps, the losing spade hook allows them to cash diamonds, and RHO will have the long diamonds to cash.
-P.J. Painter.
#14
Posted 2008-April-12, 10:18
kenrexford, on Apr 12 2008, 11:15 AM, said:
I admire your ability to judge in the auction whether partner has the ten of spades or the ten of hearts.
You are getting a diamond lead a lot more than half the time if you open 1♣ and investigate your major suit fits, even from shorter holdings.
#15
Posted 2008-April-12, 11:49
2♠ as a natural reverse is still useful IMO in the above context. In this case, responder can pattern out with 3♣ over 2N.
Avoiding 3N isn't so wow in this case. You'll find 4♥ fairly easily.
#16
Posted 2008-April-12, 11:53
1C 1D* (hearts)
1H 2S (2-3 hearts, many hand types, but most often weak NT; natural reverse, forcing)
2N 3C
3H 3S
3N
Comments?
#17
Posted 2008-April-12, 13:43
cherdano, on Apr 12 2008, 07:53 PM, said:
1C 1D* (hearts)
1H 2S (2-3 hearts, many hand types, but most often weak NT; natural reverse, forcing)
2N 3C
3H 3S
3N
Comments?
We play this sequence differently - 1♥ promise 3, then 2♠ is inv+ splinter.
I dont't think 3NT on A empty fourth is the correct bid vs a known singleton - I prefer 4♥. Might of course be a little subjective, knowing both hands. But you've more or less guaranteed a diamond lead on the auction.
Harald
#18
Posted 2008-April-12, 13:48
cherdano, on Apr 12 2008, 12:53 PM, said:
1C 1D* (hearts)
1H 2S (2-3 hearts, many hand types, but most often weak NT; natural reverse, forcing)
2N 3C
3H 3S
3N
Comments?
A couple questions. Does 2NT guarantee a weak notrump? And does it deny three hearts?
#19
Posted 2008-April-12, 14:24
jdonn, on Apr 12 2008, 11:18 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Apr 12 2008, 11:15 AM, said:
I admire your ability to judge in the auction whether partner has the ten of spades or the ten of hearts.
You are getting a diamond lead a lot more than half the time if you open 1♣ and investigate your major suit fits, even from shorter holdings.
Well, actually my auction would be:
1♦-1♥
1NT-2♦
3♣-3NT
In that event, I'm less concerned about a diamond opening. Whereas I might not be able to predict stray tens, I would also be unable to predict missing cards in diamonds.
This seems to simple. We have no major fits and no minor fits, with enough for game, and good cards in every suit. With a buter knife, I bid 3NT in this situation. It seems to work OK.
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If I were playing an unbalanced diamond approach, then 1♣-1♥-1NT-2♦-2NT-3NT.
-P.J. Painter.
#20
Posted 2008-April-12, 14:31
jdonn, on Apr 12 2008, 01:48 PM, said:
cherdano, on Apr 12 2008, 12:53 PM, said:
1C 1D* (hearts)
1H 2S (2-3 hearts, many hand types, but most often weak NT; natural reverse, forcing)
2N 3C
3H 3S
3N
Comments?
A couple questions. Does 2NT guarantee a weak notrump? And does it deny three hearts?
Yes. Yes.

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