[zasanya]

whereagles, on Apr 9 2008, 11:50 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Apr 9 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

What is the rationale behind 'no J2nt with a stiff' ?

None, really. Standard raises are not well thought-out at all, which is why sometimes you don't know what to do with a given hand.

Okay here is a better method.
System Viking Precision Club
1♠=11-15 5card♠--1NT GF relay
2♣=13-15--2♦ relay
3♣=5♠+4♣--3♦ relay
3♠=singleton ♥-4♣asking aces
4♥=1Ace—4NT= asking kings
5♥=2 Kings of same color—6♠=final contract
I think contract can be claimed before the dummy goes down with the proviso RHO doesn’t ruff something.

[ArtK78]

Those who are stating that SAYC or 2/1 is a poor system because of a hand like this are just victims of muddled thinking.

Rather than advocating your own favorite systems (such as the preceding post) perhaps you just have to learn how to deal with how to evaluate and describe your hands better.

As I stated previously, a good general principal is that the stronger hand asks for information and the weaker hand provides information. So, good judgment would dictate that the hand presented in this thread should use Jacoby 2NT, a standard bidding tool in both SAYC and 2/1, to get information from partner, rather than provide information to partner by using a splinter bid (another standard bidding tool in SAYC and 2/1). This solves the problem on this hand easily, as it would in most similar hands.

As with most problems, it is more a matter of how you use your bidding tools than what bidding tools you have.