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By partnership agreement, 3rd hand openers can be very light.
Playing 2-way drury on over X, and without fit-jumps (whether this qualifies or not for you), what would you bid with this hand?
Drury this sucka? Passing pays off
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:46
By partnership agreement, 3rd hand openers can be very light.
Playing 2-way drury on over X, and without fit-jumps (whether this qualifies or not for you), what would you bid with this hand?
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:57
I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice 
Works for me though.
Works for me though.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 01:06
3♣ fit jump looks fine (woops didn't read everything), otherwise 4♥
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Posted 2008-April-07, 01:11
Free, on Apr 7 2008, 02:06 AM, said:
3♣ fit jump looks fine
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Posted 2008-April-07, 01:15
Free, on Apr 7 2008, 04:06 PM, said:
3♣ fit jump looks fine
Good idea if you ignore the first post.
In the given scenario I go with 2 Diamond or 4 Heart, depending on partner.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 02:26
3H is enough, partner could have a 4carder.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 03:41
4♥ without thinking too hard. We don't have to have ten tricks for this to work out well.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 03:57
Jlall, on Apr 7 2008, 06:57 AM, said:
I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice Works for me though.
Works for me though.I like 4C fit, but it seems that isn't allowed. Failing that 4H.
Obviously it depends what you mean by 'very light'. As long as it means a sound opener or a decent suit, then why shouldn't we bid 4H? If it means partner might have a random balanced 9 count then it's a different matter.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 04:30
Going with 4♥. If pard has his usual 3rd hand bag of pile, then RHO has a monster and probably will bid 4♠ or 5♦ over it.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 05:32
As long as very light means he still has hearts then 4♥ should be fine.
Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing?
Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing?
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Posted 2008-April-07, 08:24
Cascade, on Apr 7 2008, 03:32 AM, said:
As long as very light means he still has hearts then 4♥ should be fine.
Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing?
Ok so you don't play fit-jumps but what is a passed hand 3♣/♦ - does it mean nothing?
Undiscussed in this partnership. We'll probably add fit jumps to the system eventually, but we're working through some more common problem auctions before getting to that point.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 11:48
4♥ is tempting, but it depends upon whom you're partnering. I'd not advice anyone doing that with me opposite! 
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Posted 2008-April-09, 12:02
Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game.
of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable.
Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand.
of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable.
Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 12:58
A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right?
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
I do think that something is called for, but I'm not sure what to do. Difficult problem. If I were asked what I would do on different days, I might have different answers. With the system parameters described so far, I might even pass some times, strangely.
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
I do think that something is called for, but I'm not sure what to do. Difficult problem. If I were asked what I would do on different days, I might have different answers. With the system parameters described so far, I might even pass some times, strangely.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 13:09
Jlall, on Apr 7 2008, 12:57 AM, said:
I like 4H but it will not be a popular choice Works for me though.
Works for me though.popular in this tiny part of the world as well... my choice
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Posted 2008-April-09, 13:16
kenrexford, on Apr 9 2008, 10:58 AM, said:
A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right?
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
Oh darn, they have to find the ♠Q to make 4♠.
Thats assuming we are actually cashing 2♥ and a club.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 14:01
pclayton, on Apr 9 2008, 02:16 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Apr 9 2008, 10:58 AM, said:
A white third-deat opening that could be light usually looks somewhat like 3433 with three of the top four heart honors, right?
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
This just makes a 4♥ blast look like something that may well hang partner.
Oh darn, they have to find the ♠Q to make 4♠.
Thats assuming we are actually cashing 2♥ and a club.
♠Jxx ♥AKJx ♦xxx ♣xxx
♠Jxx ♥AKJx ♦Axx ♣xxx
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A hand never "usually looks like a 4333", simply because 4333 is a rare shape.
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Posted 2008-April-09, 16:56
cherdano, on Apr 9 2008, 03:58 PM, said:
A hand never "usually looks like a 4333", simply because 4333 is a rare shape.
What?
A hand "looks like 3433" if it would be 4333 if you could move one card to get to 3433, especially without reducing the spade count below passable/three.
Hence,
3532
3523
4432
4423
3442 and
3424
all "look like 3433."
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Posted 2008-April-09, 18:53
pclayton, on Apr 9 2008, 10:02 AM, said:
Fine - 4♥. I'm on record about 4 trump and a side 6 bagger = 5 trump and a stiff, so jam it into game.
of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable.
Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand.
of the things we aren't playing: 3N as a preemptive raise with a card seems perfect. 3♣ is too much and the hand is a little offbeat for 4♣, although its reasonable.
Pard is 3rd chair and I will like to see his hand.
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This is the full N-S hand. I chose to make this a 4 card limit raise, LHO bid 2 spades, Partner went to 4 hearts, RHO bid 5 diamonds, passed to partner who bid 5 hearts, playing it there. Partner guessed hearts and scored it up.
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