[helium]

Playing 12 board team match whit strong opps, score is 7-5 to opps (2 imp behind)

Last bord u get this hand, p deal and open 1♦
right opp doble and its ur turn

Scoring: IMP

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If u go for the psyke pls tell me ur plan, how u (hope) the bidding goes

System u are playing are sayc opps play 2/1

[mishovnbg]

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Hi helium!

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I like to psyche very much, but this hand is unsuitable in my opinon. You didn't post system, vul and type of competition. If you play natural system 1♠ is very dangerous bid. More easy is to psyche by bidding 2NT for example or even 3NT in not vul and later pull to ♦ . Same bidding will be based at least on statistics you have probably fit in ♦, 2 fits are exception, so you dont have fit in ♥, while opps have fit probably in ♠. After 2/3NT from you will be hard for opps to reach game in ♠ or W have selfsufficient hand with ♠, in wich case your psyche will not help.

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[helium]

mishovnbg, on Mar 11 2004, 04:13 AM, said:

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Hi helium!

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I like to psyche very much, but this hand is unsuitable in my opinon. You didn't post system, vul and type of competition. If you play natural system 1♠ is very dangerous bid. More easy is to psyche by bidding 2NT for example or even 3NT in not vul and later pull to ♦ . Same bidding will be based at least on statistics you have probably fit in ♦, 2 fits are exception, so you dont have fit in ♥, while opps have fit probably in ♠. After 2/3NT from you will be hard for opps to reach game in ♠ or W have selfsufficient hand with ♠, in wich case your psyche will not help.

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Hiya misho:))
if u read the post ull find all your questions are anwserd.imp opps vouln.team match last board.u play sayc opps play 2/1:)))

[Free]

I also like to psych, but with this hand it's not a good choice to psych imo.

Possible psychic bids that arise in my thoughts:

1) 1♠. As Misho pointed out, they have enough ♠s to figure it out. Either we have a 4-1 split and partner will raise (problems arise) or we have a 3-1 split where they should be able to field the psych. Not a good one.

2) 1NT. Skipping ♥ doesn't have a lot of purpose here, opps will still bid 2♠.

3) 2♣/♦. Same problem as after 1NT.

4) 2♥. Showing a stronger hand than you have contains a big risk that partner will double some enemy bids. You also have only 5 ♥s... However, I think this might give us the wings we need! (but again, our LHO will field the psych immediatly)

5) 3♦ as preemptive bid. This is one of the best psychs if you descide to do one imo. They are EW, and won't be able to find out about their ♠ holding on level 2! They are also V, while we are NV. Will they bid at 3-level?

6) 4♦. Kill the auction (hopefully partner won't see this as minorwood or invitational... A Dbl is very possible here!

7) Pass. This is also a very good psych imo, because opps might go for a game in ♠s (V) which won't make. If they stay on 3♠, you might win already, but if they play 4♠, they'll probably go down. However, you depend completely on your opps if it will work out...

The big problem is: how will you win 2 or more imps? either you play -50 and other table made 2♠ or 3♠. So -100 is a killer if they don't have 4♠. If you can get them in playing a contract too high you might as well win.

All by all, I think IF you psych, it should be a PASS!

(A tip btw: in long team matches, it's better to psych in the first board than in the last. You'll win more in the long run if your opps don't trust your true bids enough. You'll meet the power of doubt vs power of psychic bidding)

[Trpltrbl]

If you think about psyching 1♠, you'll be hurting. Pd has at least 3 and possibly 4♠ and against good opps they'll smell your psyche directly.
Just bid 1 ♥ and try to win the match with normal bridge you are only down 2 imps, and this hand looks like action, especially if pd has ♥ fit.

Mike

[inquiry]

Bid 2♥, Fit Jump, showing ♦ support and 5♥'s and sufficient value to compete to 3♦. This bid is not forcing. Let them decide what they want to do while giving your partner maximum info about your hand. At least nine red cards, decent support, limited values. I hope we can bid smarter than them after this descriptive bid. I rely on my partner to use this informtation to our best advantage.

ben

PS. I didn't vote in the poll...because while I would not psyche on this hand (eliminating the last two answers), I do psyche (eliminating the second answer), and I don't think psyching here is crazy, I just wouldn't do it with this particular hand.

[slothy]

i psyched my response to the question...i chose the third one when i only had the values to choose the first....

[EarlPurple]

Free, on Mar 11 2004, 08:00 PM, said:

I5) 3♦ as preemptive bid.  This is one of the best psychs if you descide to do one imo.  They are EW, and won't be able to find out about their ♠ holding on level 2!  They are also V, while we are NV.  Will they bid at 3-level?

3♦ is a pre-emptive bid but it's not a psych.

The heart suit is far too poor for a fit-jump. But if you did make one it wouldn't really be a psych either.

Of course a heart bid would be better than a raise in diamonds if partner has 4-4-3-2 in which case they have no more than an 8-card spade fit which is breaking badly, and we have a 9-card fit in hearts.

I don't think 2♥ shows a good hand, it's a pre-emptive bid and the one I'd probably make. I'd then bid 3♦ over 2♠ by then if I can, hopefully showing partner enough of what I hold to let him make any correct decisions over 3♠ by them.

[Flame]

Imo this psyc is illegel.

[Shrike]

Flame, on Apr 7 2004, 11:37 PM, said:

Imo this psyc is illegel.

And your legal support for that position would be. . . ?

[luke warm]

Flame, on Apr 8 2004, 07:37 AM, said:

Imo this psyc is illegel.

when is a psych illegal? in the aba tourney last nite, two hands prompted director calls... here's the first:

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  1NT   Pass  Pass
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

as you can see, the north hand is pure psych... the result was down 2, -300, but this was a decent score... the 2nd hand was

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     Pass  1♥
 Pass  1NT!  Pass  2♠
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

the director was called here, also, with the complaint that the 1nt bid was too weak for that action... now in all honesty, the south player had no idea that 1nt in the first case wasn't 15-17, so he passed that 8 count... and he took the 1nt bid to be what it appeared in the 2nd hand

the questions are, were the director calls made (in your opinions) in order to alleviate some supposed injustice, or simply as a matter of procedure? and, why would anyone think either of those two bids were illegal or unfair? thanks

[luke warm]

slothy, on Mar 26 2004, 05:13 PM, said:

i psyched my response to the question...i chose the third one when i only had the values to choose the first....

you are a total nut... never stop

[Shrike]

Today, f2f, I took a director call reporting a psyche. I asked whether there was any reason to believe the psycher's partner knew of the psyche. "No." Did psycher's partner take any action that seemed to be based on a concealed partnership understanding? "No." then you called me because. . . ? "I just wanted to report it."

Players think that the director needs to be informed that someone has played bridge at their table. That's all the calls in luke warm's post mean, I think.

[mikestar]

[Fluffy]

Where is the psycke on that second board?, if that ! on '1NT!' means 1NT was alerted its time to laugh about opponents, 1NT forcing is intended to be bid with any non fit hand 6-11 and any fit hand 4-6 or 10-11, if I still remember, ,1 Ace means 4 points...

Even if it is not forcing, still with that poor hand is often right to bid NT so partner isnt encouraged, ,and may pass or just bid 3 after you rebid 2H against his 2C/2D rebid.

On the first there is nothing to appeal, south judged he had a poor 8 HCP, and can´t be blamed for that, even with al those 10 still 4-3-3-3. But it is important to call director here, because director can´t do anything with a single call like this, but has something to do if he is called about same pair same situition several times.

[luke warm]

Fluffy, on Apr 14 2004, 02:42 AM, said:

~~snip But it is important to call director here, because director can´t do anything with a single call like this, but has something to do if he is called about same pair same situition several times. ~~snip

ok, i think that's a good reason... it does draw attention to this bid by this pair in this position, should it happen again