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#1 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2008-April-02, 07:08

Playing with a good pick-up partner in an ACBL matchpoint pair game on BBO, you pick up:

Scoring: MP

2* - (3) - ?


2 was weak. You have not discussed your weak 2 style (if that is relevant).
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Posted 2008-April-02, 07:18

I think I will pass and double if LHO tries anything else.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 07:51

3. It's our board, but game is unlikely.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 08:23

It's too early to double. I'll compete to 3.

What happens next?
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:31

3 seems right, should make and I can double most higher things.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:33

Would anyone consider a bid of 3 instead of 3? That was the bid chosen by my partner.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:38

ArtK78, on Apr 2 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

Would anyone consider a bid of 3 instead of 3? That was the bid chosen by my partner.

I wouldn't. Who told you he was a good player?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:52

Scoring: MP

2-(3)-3-(P)
3-(P)-4-All Pass


This was the first time I played with this partner, who is a consistent winner in the ACBL BBO games. I assumed that his 3 bid was forcing, so I had to find a bid over it. I chose 3, leaving him with the option of bidding 3NT if his hand was appropriate. He gave this a lot of though and eventually raised to 4. I almost brought the contract in, but when neither major suit split, I could not handle it. Here is the full hand:

Scoring: MP


The defense started with Ace and another club. I won the K in dummy and played a spade to the 9, losing to the Ace. The defense erred at this point, playing a diamond into me. I played low from dummy, winning the 9 with the Q. I played a heart to dummy and a spade to the 10, and the K, discovering the bad break. Now I needed hearts to split, and they also did not split. Down one for a single digit percentage score.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:55

3 looks like an excellent MP spot (and so does 3C doubled btw).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-02, 12:27

ArtK78, on Apr 2 2008, 11:52 AM, said:

The defense erred at this point, playing a diamond into me.  I played low from dummy, winning the 9 with the Q.  I played a heart to dummy


GIB says the contract is makeable at this point. (It became makeable once they returned the diamond into the AQ).

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and a spade to the 10,


and you hand it back to them here.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 13:20

Would you mind pointing out to me the winning line?
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Posted 2008-April-02, 13:59

ArtK78, on Apr 2 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

Would you mind pointing out to me the winning line?

I didn't use GIB, but at the point of a spade to the 9, how about, instead, the diamond Ace and ruff a diamond low. Say West overruffs.. what can he return?

If he returns a club, ruff in dummy, draw trump and claim.. and any other return merely surrenders earlier.

So he doesn't overruff... now take the spade hook and begin running the diamonds, not drawing a 3rd round of trump until after he ruffs in.

Of course, it is 'far from clear' that this is the best single-dummy play.. but it is not unreasonable on the auction and the (weird) defence to date
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Posted 2008-April-02, 13:59

ArtK78, on Apr 2 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

Would you mind pointing out to me the winning line?

Win diamond queen, diamond ace, ruff a diamond. If west overruffs and returns heart or spade you can draw trump ending in hand and run diamonds. If he overruffs and returns club you ruff in dummy with the queen, repeat spade hook to draw trump ending in hand and run diamonds.

If west discards heart then spade to ten (pulling east's last trump) and run the hearts. Eventually west ruffs, you overruff and start running diamonds... west ruffs in and plays club but you ruff with dummy's last trump and finish off the hearts.

If west discards club, then spade to ten and run the diamonds. Eventually west ruffs in, but he must return a trump or a heart. You win either and play spade to king (drawing his last trump) and cash the remaining diamonds.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 14:10

ArtK78, on Apr 2 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

Would you mind pointing out to me the winning line?

What they said. :)

And btw, you actually got 24.04%, not a single digit percentage, if thats any consolation. ;)
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Posted 2008-April-02, 15:40

It was single digit the last time I looked.

Maybe we won the event.

;)

Yes, that line certainly works. But at the table, I wouldn't be too surprised if you tried to cash the DA to see it go ruff on your left. Whether that is necessarily a bad thing is not clear, but establishing diamonds did not seem to be the percentage play to me.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 16:33

I would crack them off or pass depending on who my partner was. Since you hadn't really discussed preempting style I would X.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 16:45

Jlall, on Apr 2 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

I would crack them off or pass depending on who my partner was. Since you hadn't really discussed preempting style I would X.

You are doing very well lately on problems you answer after the full hand comes out :P
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Posted 2008-April-02, 17:15

jdonn, on Apr 2 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

Jlall, on Apr 2 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

I would crack them off or pass depending on who my partner was. Since you hadn't really discussed preempting style I would X.

You are doing very well lately on problems you answer after the full hand comes out :P

hopefully you trust me enough not to base my answers on the actual hand. tbh I didn't even notice the actual hand had been posted.
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