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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-March-29, 01:35

IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat

Jx QJT8x AJ8xx x

(1)-Dbl-(P)-?
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Posted 2008-March-29, 01:41

I would sit for it, thanks for the H8
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Posted 2008-March-29, 12:17

rogerclee, on Mar 29 2008, 02:35 AM, said:

IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat  Jx QJT8x AJ8xx x
(1)-Dbl-(P)-?

IMO 1N = 10, 2 = 9, _P = 7, 2N = 5, 3 = 4.
Assuming that 1 shows 5+ . If 1 shows only 4 then _P becomes more attractive.
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Posted 2008-March-29, 12:35

2!d, won't object to 1N or pass. But no stronger bid please.
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Posted 2008-March-29, 13:01

I'll go with a wimpish 1NT. Thing is, if pard has a strong hand with clubs, 2 now will definitely complicate his task.
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Posted 2008-March-29, 14:43

Why will people not pass with this hand?
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Posted 2008-March-29, 14:56

Jlall, on Mar 29 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

Why will people not pass with this hand?

I do!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 00:56

PASS!
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Posted 2008-March-30, 11:39

Jlall, on Mar 29 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

Why will people not pass with this hand?

Because ...
  • You pays your money; you weighs up the probabilities; and you makes your choice - :huh: - we don't all have the bidding judgement of Jlall :(
  • We don't all have the defensive skills of JLall :(
  • Pass tends to be conclusive. Partner may have followed JLall's modern teaching and doubled on some monster or freakish pointed 2-suiter B) But after we pass he may have no come-back :(
  • Partner may forget to lead a trump :angry: His double didn't promised any, so he may not even have a to lead :(
  • Passing is a bit of a gamble :huh: We can practically underwrite a partscore our way :) Whereas 1X will sometimes make, occasionally with overtricks. :(
  • Our declarer play tends to be better than our defence :) and it's more fun :)

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Posted 2008-March-30, 12:56

Both pass and 3 seem reasonable to me. I can't imagine why anyone wants to bid 1NT - I don't have a balanced hand, I do have a good suit and plenty of playing strength, and I can construct a 13-count where I'd expect to make 3NT. The upside of bidding 1NT is far less than the upside of either pass or 3.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-30, 13:09

1NT is to allow pard to bid 2 if he happens to be strong. If, on the other hand, it's LHO who's strong, I'll bid 2 if doubled. Who knows, maybe they think I'm in trouble and double me again for 2 overtricks :angry:
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Posted 2008-March-30, 14:10

I think its very close, the reason I don't like pass is that opponents will play at the 1 level when we have an 8 or 9 card fit, if partner misses the lead, we will lose the control of the hand.

I think we are also too strong for 2, but also our hearts on ofense won't be great.

I would probably pass at MPs, but at IMPs I will just bid 3.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 14:25

gnasher, on Mar 30 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Both pass and 3 seem reasonable to me. I can't imagine why anyone wants to bid 1NT - I don't have a balanced hand, I do have a good suit and plenty of playing strength, and I can construct a 13-count where I'd expect to make 3NT. The upside of bidding 1NT is far less than the upside of either pass or 3.

Imagination is my long suit :huh: John McLaren described some of my efforts as "outside three sigma" :angry: On this hand, however, 1N is a down-the-middle choice if you play it as constructive. We might have got richer defending :huh: but notrump is likely to be the best part-score or game for our side :(
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