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From toronto regional Double or not

#1 User is offline   dcvetkov 

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Posted 2008-March-25, 08:24



You have this hand and hear 4 spade opening on your right. All non vulnerable,
what is your bid?

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Posted 2008-March-25, 08:28

Yep, good hand to X with. If partner pulls your values are in the right places and you have support, if partner sits you have pretty good defense.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 09:08

Yep, good hand to pass with. If partner dbls your values are in the right places and you have support, if partner passes you have pretty good defense.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:09

Agree with double.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 10:09

whereagles, on Mar 26 2008, 12:08 AM, said:

Yep, good hand to pass with. If partner dbls your values are in the right places and you have support, if partner passes you have pretty good defense.

I really like your humour and your style of writing....

But I can and will double 4 Spade as optional. I would pass if a double is clear cut take out.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 13:35

CLose but a pass for me. If X is optional I'd be happier, but I prefer this is be strongly for take-out.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 14:51

I double. This is basically t/o, but partner only takes out with an unbalanced hand. If he does, I've got good support. If partner passes I feel pretty good too.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 14:54

Pass
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Posted 2008-March-25, 16:03

Agree that its close. Double for me, pard tends to pass quite often.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 05:29

Ok, lets suppose double wins.
What is your lead?
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Posted 2008-March-26, 05:41

♥A. Is this a trick question???
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Posted 2008-March-26, 06:08

skaeran, on Mar 25 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

I double. This is basically t/o, but partner only takes out with an unbalanced hand. If he does, I've got good support. If partner passes I feel pretty good too.

Agree totally
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Posted 2008-March-26, 07:39

I first thought it was an wtp pass but thinking more about it, dbl is probably slightly better.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 15:52

Penalty dbl, but P can still pull. 4nt is T/O. B)
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Posted 2008-March-26, 16:53

oldman5757, on Mar 26 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

Penalty dbl, but P can still pull. 4nt is T/O. B)

You must be an oldman B)
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Posted 2008-March-26, 17:48

I double, since it's likely penalty (the 70/30 principle I use - 70% penalty, 30% takeout).
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Posted 2008-March-26, 19:10

Partner needs a hell of a lot to make something at the five-level so I pass.

He will love your double with 3=4=5=1 or similar and confidently bid 4NT two-suited hoping for your marked spaded shortage.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 22:54

I pass. If partner takes out a double I have no confidence that we will actually make the contract and if he passes the double (the default action) I don't have enormous confidence that we will defeat their contract.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 23:24

Pass. The shape is rotten for a t/o double. Lead AH
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Posted 2008-March-27, 08:04

I see the vote is split now between dbl and pass;))

The reason for the lead ask, is there is only one lead that defeats the contract ( should partner pass), and that is a trump. Declarer has 3 hearts, dummy 2, and ruffing in dummy is his 10th trick

Maybe it is counterintuitive, but what is the rush to cash? You have good holdings in all suits, so unlikely losers will dissapear. And it will not cost a trump trick, in case partner has stiff Q or K.

Declarer hand is ♠AQxxxxx ♥xxx♦ ♦A ♣Ax

BTW, I liked that 70/30 rule. as you may figured out by now, parts hands is in another post ( to bid or not to bid). I will shows the full hand there
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