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Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x
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Posted 2008-March-25, 01:42
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:15
The_Hog, on Mar 25 2008, 02:42 AM, said:
Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x
You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen). And after all, he could have something too! Assuming he is a working yarb is the height of pessimism. In fact I'm having trouble imagining a 4♠ bid which doesn't give at least fair play at some slam. Not saying it can't be done, but a lot more give you play even if you just consider hands with 0 hcp (which again there is no reason to assume).
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:32
jdonn, on Mar 25 2008, 03:15 AM, said:
The_Hog, on Mar 25 2008, 02:42 AM, said:
Pass is not forcing. I don't understand the rampant enthusiasm to bid a slam when partner could have nothing. I x
You could easily make a slam opposite nothing, such as xxxxx xx xx xxxx which is on two 3-2 breaks (or stiff diamond queen).
Josh the most important thing about this example hand is that you are probably going to get to the 0 % slam unless you plan on bidding 6S yourself. Maybe you can construct another way to get to 6S but I don't think I'd be convinced.
I will totally agree with you that if I could always get to the right slam I would certainly bid one. However I think I will get to the wrong one an obscene amount of time.
Josh the other most important thing about this example hand to me is that I hope you realize despite our argument the other day that two 3-2 breaks on this auction is probably in the range of 5-10%. I do not expect to get good splits.
I really think that Xing 5H has enough going for it that I am willing to do it.
Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:34
Oh and btw I think that good opponents are leading a club very often if you bid diamonds at any point.
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Posted 2008-March-25, 02:42
Jlall, on Mar 25 2008, 03:32 AM, said:
Oh, and Josh I do realize your point was that if 0 HCP hands provide play for slam there must be merit in bidding slam, I just thought that your example illustrated two points in favor of not bidding slam.
Sorry next time I'll go with xxxxxx xx xx xxx
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Posted 2008-March-25, 05:57
Pass is obviously not forcing because I could have X with far less than what I have and I don't expect partner to X with a zero count !
I would go for 6♦
I would go for 6♦
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Posted 2008-March-25, 06:10
If slamming now, what does 4N/5H previous round show which I'm now denying?
Else two auctions for the same hands?
What I didn't do, but now do should help partner make a decent decision.
Else two auctions for the same hands?
What I didn't do, but now do should help partner make a decent decision.