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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-March-22, 13:16

Scoring: IMP

2♠-?

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Posted 2008-March-22, 13:21

I know someone who would auto-pass this because it is aces and spaces and he is worried about going down 4 in 2NT vul.

He is an idiot. Don't bid like him.

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Posted 2008-March-22, 13:54

Guess you have to suck it up and bid 2N, Xing is a little weird.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 13:55

Our trick taking potential in NT really isn't that great, and we have excellent defense. If we pass there is a good chance that partner can reopen and that playing for a penalty is best. Still, it's red against white so I'll bid 2NT.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-22, 14:03

I think we have to bid 2NT, its very very risky (your idiot isn't totally insane) but partner could just have Kxxxxx of clubs to make 3NT on a spade lead. Not that he would bid it, but just to show that the right nothing could make it easy.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 14:23

WTP? 2NT.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 15:50

♠K8xx ♥Axx ♦Ax ♣Axxx

(2♠)-??

Look at all those pretty controls. Close enough to a 16 count for me. 2N.

Will it always work out? No. Will you get tagged every now and then? Yes.

But you are going to miss a lot of games if you pass hands like this after a Weak Two. We rate to own the hand and GOP could easily have what you need to bring 3N or 4M home.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 15:55

2N.

The spade length makes it so RHO will have difficulty getting back in. LHO may smack on power, but they aren't running the spade suit.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 19:20

2NT for me.

I did a quick simulation for this one too.

Double dummy we were 48% for 9+ tricks in NTs opposite a random hand from partner without five hearts. A further 19% of the time we could make 8 tricks. 17% of the time were were down two or more so there is a danger of getting doubled.

With five hearts we were 59% for 10+ tricks in hearts. Only 5% of the time were we down two or more in 3♥.

These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 19:40

Well I am going against the majority. Pass for me. This hand has no intermediates and no source of tricks. Sure it has excellent controls but from where are the tricks going to come? Wayne's simulations are a fata morgana. On hands where we have something, partner will have a balancing bid, and then we have an easy game bid.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 20:03

2NT WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 20:51

Cascade, on Mar 22 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit.

Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 21:16

This is really close for me. I'll bid 2NT.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 22:15

I woulda X'd, played the bleeding Moysian. I think you guys are right, though. I'll change my strategy on this one.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 22:38

Jlall, on Mar 23 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Cascade, on Mar 22 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit.

Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S.

Yes I understand the point.
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Posted 2008-March-22, 23:54

Jlall, on Mar 23 2008, 09:51 AM, said:

Cascade, on Mar 22 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

These numbers strongly suggest bidding especially the good results when we can find a heart fit.

Why? These numbers are meaningless without numbers on how often we are shut out when we pass. What if 100 % of the hands where we make game partner is reopening, and when we can't make anything partner is passing? Obviously artificial premises, but hopefully you see my point. I think much more important are the numbers of how we do on hands where partner is passing out 2S.

I thought that was what I said!
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Posted 2008-March-23, 02:22

I'm a bidder here: 2NT.
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Posted 2008-March-23, 04:19

2NT
I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe
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Posted 2008-March-23, 06:04

kgr, on Mar 23 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

2NT
I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe

?? they are all smaller than the 8 spot. if they hadn't been smaller than the 8, they would have been in front of the 8 no?
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Posted 2008-March-23, 06:22

gwnn, on Mar 23 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

kgr, on Mar 23 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

2NT
I hope these x's are not all smaller then 8. If they are really all 2, 3 and 4's then I pass...maybe

?? they are all smaller than the 8 spot. if they hadn't been smaller than the 8, they would have been in front of the 8 no?

I meant all x's. I would be more happy with eg ♣AT86 then with ♣A432
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