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Slam sequence from 2008 Vanderbilt finals 1S 2D : 2S 4H : 4N 5S : 6C ?

Poll: How do you and your favorite partner play 6C? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you and your favorite partner play 6C?

  1. Asks 3rd round control (10 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  2. Asks for stuff in clubs (9 votes [36.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.00%

  3. Other (6 votes [24.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.00%

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#1 User is offline   y66 

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Posted 2008-March-17, 08:42

2008 Vanderbilt finals, board 5

You hold KQJ T AJ9853 KJ8

Pard opens 1S. Then it goes ... 2D : 2S 4H : 4N 5S : 6C ?

How do you and your next Vanderbilt partner play 6C?

Click here for Phillip Alder's story about this hand and a few others.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 09:00

I use this as a "specific suit asking" bid ala what is described in kantar RKCB book.

Response here would be...

6♦ third round control
6♥ second round control
6♠ no control
6NT Kx
7♣ KQ
7♠ singleton (as raiser, need three trumps to show singleton if i remember correctly)
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Posted 2008-March-17, 09:32

Denying interest in the king of diamonds, asking for the king of clubs. I rebid 6♥, showing the king of clubs and denying the queen of diamonds.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 09:39

I play that 5NT over 5♠ asks for the cheapest non-splinter king, ♣K here, with denial step bids. So 6♣ over 5NT would deny ♣K, etc. On the actual hand, I would bid 6♦ over 5NT to show ♣K and deny ♦K.

The 6♣ bid in the auction given would ask for the next-cheapest king, ♦K in this case, and then 6♦ over 6♣ would deny holding it.

A 6♦ bid over 5♠ would ask for 3rd round control of clubs, etc.

On that same hand, it is hard to understand why Verhees passed 4♠. Maybe he thought that 4♠ in his auction was different from the meaning of 5♠ in similar auctions.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 11:25

blackshoe, on Mar 17 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Denying interest in the king of diamonds, asking for the king of clubs. I rebid 6♥, showing the king of clubs and denying the queen of diamonds.

If partner needs king of clubs but not king of diamonds why couldn't he bid 5NT? I'm quite sure they play you show the cheapest king.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 11:37

Asking for third round club control. Yes, I know that is not possible given my hand, but it wasn't my partner who bid 6C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-17, 11:42

Asking for the KQ of clubs (6D = neither, 6H = queen, 6S = king, 6NT = KQ)
But why does it matter how I play it?
What matters is how the pair who bid this way plays it.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 11:50

Seems like the only interesting story on this hand was that Jansma-Verhees stopped in 4S. A bit surprising as they were having a terrific tournament and this is a very standard situation.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-March-17, 14:04

jdonn, on Mar 17 2008, 12:25 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Mar 17 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Denying interest in the king of diamonds, asking for the king of clubs. I rebid 6♥, showing the king of clubs and denying the queen of diamonds.

If partner needs king of clubs but not king of diamonds why couldn't he bid 5NT? I'm quite sure they play you show the cheapest king.

The question wasn't what "they" play, but what my partner and I play.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 14:22

y66, on Mar 17 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

2008 Vanderbilt finals, board 5

You hold KQJ T AJ9853 KJ8

Pard opens 1S. Then it goes ... 2D : 2S 4H : 4N 5S : 6C ?

How do you and your next Vanderbilt partner play 6C?

Click here for Phillip Alder's story about this hand and a few others.

1s=2d
2s=4h
4nt=5s
6c=?

I play 6c shows the k of clubs, impossible here, promises all keys and is grand try.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 14:25

blackshoe, on Mar 17 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 17 2008, 12:25 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Mar 17 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Denying interest in the king of diamonds, asking for the king of clubs. I rebid 6♥, showing the king of clubs and denying the queen of diamonds.

If partner needs king of clubs but not king of diamonds why couldn't he bid 5NT? I'm quite sure they play you show the cheapest king.

The question wasn't what "they" play, but what my partner and I play.

Change "partner" to "your partner" and "couldn't" to "can't" :) Then in second sentence "they" becomes "you".
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Posted 2008-March-17, 17:29

han, on Mar 17 2008, 12:37 PM, said:

Asking for third round club control. Yes, I know that is not possible given my hand, but it wasn't my partner who bid 6C.

Strangely, for me this asks for the club Queen, but for a very strange reason and, as for Han, my bidding specific.

4♥ by me was a bald-faced lie, as I claimed to have three of the top four honors (or solid), no club control (another lie), two of the top three spades (truth) and specifically a stiff heart that was not the Ace or King (truth).

4NT asked how good my hearts were, and I lied and claimed AKQ, without the Jack. 6♣ asked whether I held the club Queen (clubs being implicitly Opener's side suit contextually), and I lied and said I did, which makes sense considering that I buried the King.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 19:17

Even if 6♣ asked for the club queen or other third round control I would go here. I have the club jack and that could be the secondary chance after setting up my diamonds.
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Posted 2008-March-18, 07:01

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FrancesHinden  Posted on Mar 17 2008, 12:42 PM
  Asking for the KQ of clubs (6D = neither, 6H = queen, 6S = king, 6NT = KQ)
But why does it matter how I play it?

This is a method survey, for my new partnership's benefit, with a story thrown in.

We are clueless about bids like this one. Will read posts carefully and also check out the Eddie Kantar reference. Will also review continuations after pard shows 0 or 3 keycards.
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Posted 2008-March-18, 12:44

I play

1♠ 2♦
2♠ 4♥
4NT 5♠
6♣ = "we got all keys. can you contribute with some club fillers for the grand?"

to which the response would be "yes", so I bid 7♠ now.
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