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Question #1: What is 5♣?
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Question #2: What is 5♠?
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Posted 2008-March-10, 07:35
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Posted 2008-March-10, 07:47
#1. A hand too good to bid game in spades or hearts, likely to contain a club control. Depends slightly what a jump to 5M would have shown: if that would have been a general slam try, then this shows doubt about strain; if a jump to 5M specifically asked about a club control then this is much more murky.
#2. Natural non-forcing if partner had a single-suited spade hand. Accepting slam tries in either red suit.
#2. Natural non-forcing if partner had a single-suited spade hand. Accepting slam tries in either red suit.
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Posted 2008-March-10, 12:59
FrancesHinden, on Mar 10 2008, 08:47 AM, said:
#1. A hand too good to bid game in spades or hearts, likely to contain a club control. Depends slightly what a jump to 5M would have shown: if that would have been a general slam try, then this shows doubt about strain; if a jump to 5M specifically asked about a club control then this is much more murky.
#2. Natural non-forcing if partner had a single-suited spade hand. Accepting slam tries in either red suit.
#2. Natural non-forcing if partner had a single-suited spade hand. Accepting slam tries in either red suit.
I'm not understanding this. It seemed to me that there are options with a heart fit (5♥) and with a spade suit (5♠) but not with a diamond fit (5♦ would be to play). Why have 5♣ cover the least-likely strains (Opener rejected spades and Responder rejected hearts) rather than the one suit that is most likely our fit and the one suit where a slam try is not otherwise available?
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Posted 2008-March-10, 14:06
Case 1: 5M is a general slam try
1. 5♣ is a slam try in diamonds
2. 5♠ is a cuebid
Case 2: 5M would ask for a club control
1. 5♣ is a general move towards slam in any suit, probably with a club control
2. like Frances said - accepting red suit slam tries but rejecting a spade slam try
If undiscussed, I wouldn't ascribe any specific meaning to 5♣ other than "interested in slam", and I wouldn't pass 5♠.
1. 5♣ is a slam try in diamonds
2. 5♠ is a cuebid
Case 2: 5M would ask for a club control
1. 5♣ is a general move towards slam in any suit, probably with a club control
2. like Frances said - accepting red suit slam tries but rejecting a spade slam try
If undiscussed, I wouldn't ascribe any specific meaning to 5♣ other than "interested in slam", and I wouldn't pass 5♠.
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Posted 2008-March-10, 16:51
If 5♠ is a cuebid after 5♣ as a general slam try in diamonds, then it seems that 5♠ is a grand-slam probe, as 5♠ commits to 6♦. Would 5♠ then show a spade card and imply first-round club control?
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Posted 2008-March-10, 17:33
kenrexford, on Mar 10 2008, 11:51 PM, said:
If 5♠ is a cuebid after 5♣ as a general slam try in diamonds, then it seems that 5♠ is a grand-slam probe, as 5♠ commits to 6♦. Would 5♠ then show a spade card and imply first-round club control?
I don't see why it should. What would you do with Kx AQxxx AKxxx x? Also, some (all?) grand-slam tries with first-round club control would bid 6C.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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