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Semi-preemptive hand but lacking shape Your bid?

Poll: Pass, overcall or preempt? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Pass, overcall or preempt?

  1. Pass (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  2. 2D (17 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. 3D (14 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2008-March-03, 09:05

Scoring: IMP


So, what will it be?

Edit again: RHO Opens 1 ;)
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Posted 2008-March-03, 09:08

LHO? Maybe it was RHO since preempting is an option ....
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Posted 2008-March-03, 09:27

Thanks, that is why I need this "preview". I even cannot get my posts right the second time.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 09:32

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Posted 2008-March-03, 09:59

2

Wrong distribution (too flat) for 3.

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Posted 2008-March-03, 10:02

2D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-03, 10:10

You had to give me my favorite hold-em hand (and birthday - 7-2) in both majors? And the beer?

As tempting as those combos are, I still pass.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 10:14

3D

Matter of style and a mood thing
There are days I would just bid 2D,
maybe even most of the days, but
certainly never pass.

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Posted 2008-March-03, 11:05

Pretty minimum IMO, but I'll venture 2.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 11:29

3 for me. Reasons?

1. You have about the right LTC for 3
2. 2 makes it easier than passing for the opponents to find a possible heart fit
3. Partner will expect a better hand for 2, at least if he is playing with me

This, however, is more stylistic than anything. My personal preference is for a 2 overcall to show a hand that has better game-going prospects and for 3 to handle hands like this. Others may legitimately have a different style. The downside to my approach that I can see is a greater risk of being doubled a level higher and more frequently, as well as more frequent passes, perhaps. The upside is that I jam more often at the higher level and gain more confidence if partner wants to move over my 2 calls.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 11:42

pclayton, on Mar 3 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

You had to give me ... the beer?

Isn't that a reason for not bidding, or at least for not bidding diamonds?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-03, 12:45

2 is not an option with such a weak hand, it can be either pass or 3 depending on your style, I'd go for 3.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 12:51

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Isn't that a reason for not bidding, or at least for not bidding diamonds?


I should've included 1NT for this reason?
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:23

Hum.. this isn't trivial, but I'll try 2. I probably won't preempt LHO out of his hearts, but I might just give him a problem if he has like 7-9 hcp and flattish shape.

3 would sure be quite more bothersome, but the shape is definitely wrong.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:37

To me this is the most obvious 2D bid ever. I think 3D vul is suicidal. There's just not enough upside to roll the dice with a 6322 hand vulnerable. This is of course a matter of style, etc, but I just don't believe in gambling with this type of hand.

Edit: Just noticed some votes for pass. Hate that as well. This is a great dummy for 3N which we may miss if I pass, gets a good lead in against either NT or hearts, is strong enough that I'm not TOO worried about 2D X (decent amount of tricks, I'm sure some people overcall with less tricks than this fairly often, good D9 etc), alleviates any "do I balance or not" problems I may have later, etc etc.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:48

Jlall, on Mar 3 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

To me this is the most obvious 2D bid ever. I think 3D vul is suicidal. There's just not enough upside to roll the dice with a 6322 hand vulnerable. This is of course a matter of style, etc, but I just don't believe in gambling with this type of hand.

Edit: Just noticed some votes for pass. Hate that as well. This is a great dummy for 3N which we may miss if I pass, gets a good lead in against either NT or hearts, is strong enough that I'm not TOO worried about 2D X (decent amount of tricks, I'm sure some people overcall with less tricks than this fairly often, good D9 etc), alleviates any "do I balance or not" problems I may have later, etc etc.

What hand across the table are you concerned about that if we pass we'll miss 3N?
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Posted 2008-March-03, 13:56

pclayton, on Mar 3 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 3 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

To me this is the most obvious 2D bid ever. I think 3D vul is suicidal. There's just not enough upside to roll the dice with a 6322 hand vulnerable. This is of course a matter of style, etc, but I just don't believe in gambling with this type of hand.

Edit: Just noticed some votes for pass. Hate that as well. This is a great dummy for 3N which we may miss if I pass, gets a good lead in against either NT or hearts, is strong enough that I'm not TOO worried about 2D X (decent amount of tricks, I'm sure some people overcall with less tricks than this fairly often, good D9 etc), alleviates any "do I balance or not" problems I may have later, etc etc.

What hand across the table are you concerned about that if we pass we'll miss 3N?

Axx xxxx Ax Axxx.

KJx AJx Ax xxxxx (not cold but I'd certainly take my chances given where the opening bidder is etc).

etc etc etc.

On these hands when it goes 1S p 1N p 2H p 2S p p p or something I would feel pretty stupid that I was never even able to bid with my cold 3N.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 14:15

I like 2 much better than 3 or pass (would pick 3 between those if I had to choose.) I think Justin put it pretty well overall. The chances of there being 3NT are fairly low but it certainly could happen, and there are other good reasons to be bidding anyway.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 14:22

I don't mind pass here. Bidding 3 at vulnerable seems way too dangerous.

There are definite advantages to a 2 bid, as Justin has pointed out. But there are also problems, for example partner may try to take a sacrifice in 5 that doesn't work out well because our hand is so flat, or partner may try to penalize a game bid by opponents that doesn't work out well because our hand has so little defense. These possibilities seem more likely to me than partner having enough for 3NT but being unable to bid, if potentially a bit less costly.

Anyways, I'll go with 2 with pass a close second choice and 3 not in the running.
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Posted 2008-March-03, 14:24

Jlall, on Mar 3 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

I think 3D vul is suicidal. There's just not enough upside to roll the dice with a 6322 hand vulnerable. This is of course a matter of style, etc, but I just don't believe in gambling with this type of hand.

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