[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Mar 4 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

I am a bit surprised that some are referring to a stronger bid in 4th seat as an Acol idea.

Of course anyone plays it as stronger than in the other seats. But I have to join the crowd that certainly doesn't play it nearly as strong as you do, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone play it THAT strong (although I don't know any acol players, so maybe there is a correlation after all?) Mine would be about 9-12, which is just a hair lighter than what I would consider the norm. Although I disagree with him on some particular judgments, I think awm is right on the money that it makes by far the most sense to open 2 on whatever are the worst hands you will open.

[dake50]

Which 10hcp could partner have where I would not be a favorite to make 8 tricks in hearts? 2H keeps partner's max-pass passing. I like this 2H bet as a 1-timer, not as a systemic bid. Wa-a-ay too flawed.

[gnasher]

The_Hog, on Mar 5 2008, 04:41 AM, said:

I am a bit surprised that some are referring to a stronger bid in 4th seat as an Acol idea. A 4th seat opening really has nothing to do with Acol or 2/1 or any system for that matter.

What I actually said was that it was more common in areas where Acol two bids used to be the norm. I use the term "Acol two bid" because it's less unwieldy than "two bid showing eight playing tricks", and is, I believe, widely understood to mean the same thing. I didn't mean to exclude places where it was normal to play five card majors with Acol two bids, or, for that matter, Symmetric Relay with Acol two bids.

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As I stated most, (in fact nearly all), the people I know would play a 2 level opening in pass out seat as at least an intermediate hand, in the range of 14-16, or about 8 playing tricks, certainly this is the norm here.

Which country is this in?

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-March-05, 02:17

[Gerben42]

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I'm going to poll some Dutch players to see if anybody still plays the 4th seat 2M as 8 tricks.

8 tricks is certainly not what the junior trainer told us.

Gerben, another Dutch player abroad.

[the hog]

gnasher, on Mar 5 2008, 03:15 PM, said:

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As I stated most, (in fact nearly all), the people I know would play a 2 level opening in pass out seat as at least an intermediate hand, in the range of 14-16, or about 8 playing tricks, certainly this is the norm here.

Which country is this in?

Oz.

[joker_gib]

pclayton, on Mar 4 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

han, on Mar 3 2008, 09:56 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 4 2008, 12:53 AM, said:

Who plays weak 2s in 4th seat?

I play it as about 10-12, never ever heard of anybody playing 2H as 8 tricks but then, I haven't met most people yet.

Same here. I hate my honor dispersion but the hand fits the description otherwise.

I know Meyerson opens 2♥ here. C'mon dude, STEP UP.

I also play it like this and would probably open 2♥

[han]

The_Hog, on Mar 4 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

As I stated most, (in fact nearly all), the people I know would play a 2 level opening in pass out seat as at least an intermediate hand, in the range of 14-16, or about 8 playing tricks.

Ah ok, I can't dispute this fact because I don't know anybody you know. Your previous statement was much bolder.

[FrancesHinden]

Playing weak twos in fourth, I agree that opening 2H should be the weakest action, and the evaluation is simply whether your expected score is postive from bidding or not. In earlier seats you partly open a weak two for pre-emptive effect, in fourth seat there is no-one to pre-empt, you need to go positive to open.

On this hand, I would pass in a strong field and open 2H in a weak field.

By the way, in one partnership I play 2H as an 'Acol 2' in fourth seat (combined with 2D a 9-13 multi) but it's a stronger hand than "14-16", something such as

Kxx
AKQxxx
AKx
x

would be more typical

[skjaeran]

I play 2♥ in 4th seat as 12-15(16). Sure I'd open some 11-counts too.

This hand isn't close IMO.