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Is the double of 1NT "takeout of clubs", or does it just show a good hand?
Is 2♣ natural or a scramble?
Do your answers vary depending upon how many clubs opener has promised?
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Posted 2008-February-26, 06:23
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Posted 2008-February-26, 07:09
2♣ is to play, and double is for penalties, normally balanced.
on the rare event that 1♣ promised 4 cards I'd take 2♣ as scrambling
on the rare event that 1♣ promised 4 cards I'd take 2♣ as scrambling
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Posted 2008-February-26, 07:45
Dbl = extras, i.e. 16-17, usually flattish hand
2♣ = to play, whatever 1♣ meant
2♣ = to play, whatever 1♣ meant
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Posted 2008-February-26, 08:56
If 1NT shows 18-19 I'm not sure why I want to double with a flat 16. I think could be either played as a penalties but based on a source of tricks ie a good ♥ suit I guess you could also play as a take-out hand with short clubs.
2♣ is definitely natural by partner
2♣ is definitely natural by partner
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Posted 2008-February-26, 10:13
Double = good hand, expecting 1NT to go off.
2C = natural, weak.
2C = natural, weak.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 10:29
Double = points, 2♣ = to play.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 12:15
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If 1NT shows 18-19 I'm not sure why I want to double with a flat 16. I think could be either played as a penalties but based on a source of tricks ie a good ♥ suit I guess you could also play as a take-out hand with short clubs.
2♣ is definitely natural by partner
2♣ is definitely natural by partner
Agree that doubling with flat 16 is rare.
X should show a borderline hand to X and bid 2H.
1 you have maximum pts with a suit not long/strong enough to stand rebidding 2H after partner respond 1S over the take-out X
(1C)---X---(P)-----1S
(P)----???
suit not good enough for 2H but maximum pts
2--Rare but good long suit but lacking prime values to make 4H a good bet vs a random 4 count.
KJx
KQJTxx
Kx
Kx
close to X and 2H but its an 1H overcall.
2C is 100% natural
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Posted 2008-February-26, 13:18
Fluffy, on Feb 27 2008, 02:09 AM, said:
on the rare event that 1♣ promised 4 cards
doesn't everyone play this?
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Posted 2008-February-26, 13:22
Double is values.
It would be possible to play some other sort of run out for example something similar to your 1NT X runnout. You would need to have agreed this in advance and then you wouldn't need to post the question to forums.
Edited; I misread the auction
It would be possible to play some other sort of run out for example something similar to your 1NT X runnout. You would need to have agreed this in advance and then you wouldn't need to post the question to forums.
Edited; I misread the auction
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-February-26, 15:00
Thanks for answers so far...I can't imagine it's right to play 2♣ as NAT when 1♣ will be 5+cards 95% of the time, as many people in the UK play. On the other hand, working out whether oppo open the major or the minor with 4=4 can be laborious, often oppo don't know which suit their partner will open.
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Posted 2008-February-26, 15:01
Odd problem since we apparently hold neither hand.
I would expect the FrancesHinden interpretation of the two hands.
I would expect the FrancesHinden interpretation of the two hands.
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Posted 2008-March-02, 10:06
MickyB, on Feb 26 2008, 10:00 PM, said:
Thanks for answers so far...I can't imagine it's right to play 2♣ as NAT when 1♣ will be 5+cards 95% of the time, as many people in the UK play.
Possibly you are right. But bear in mind that
- this is an extremely rare auction (I've never seen it), and thus you don't want to have agreements specific to this particular auction
- general principles say that if a bid can be natural, it is (or at least mine do, I don't think KenRexford's do)
if it isn't natural, what is it? It can't be a good hand, because you would pass the double with a good hand. So the only alternative is a weak hand with both pointy suits asking partner to pick one. Certainly this is possible, but I'm not convinced it's a more likely or useful meaning that the more simple natural one of showing long clubs.
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