[gwnn]

??? 1♠ response to 1m with 44 in majors? first time I've ever heard of it

[jtfanclub]

gwnn, on Feb 25 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

??? 1♠ response to 1m with 44 in majors? first time I've ever heard of it

Huh? Was that in response to me?

1♦-1♠-1NT-2♥ promises at least 5 spades, as I said. However, with 55 in the majors and a weak hand you'll be stuck for a bid after 1♦-1♥-1NT, so you have to start with 1 spade or give up on ever playing a 5-3 spade fit.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

The simple and short answer is No, i.e. Pass,
... or if you cant stand making overtricks once
in a while, bid 4S.

The longer answer is, that to make NT a playable contract
you need some kind of fit, or high card power as compensation .

Assume for a moment that partner has AKQxxx in spades,
since he just invited, he wont have an outside entry.
So if spades dont break, you will only make 3 tricks in spades,
the chance for this is 33% (give or take one or two percents) (*).
Now partner is a passed hand, i.e. the suit wont be as good
as sketched above, i.e most likely he will have an outside entry,
but still you will have at most 3 spade tricks.
And this means your hand needs to produce 6 tricks, not likely.

(*) Bidding 33% games is not terrible, but we are speaking about
a best case scenario.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cascade]

jillybean2, on Feb 26 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ 3 ♥ J862 ♦ AKQ6 ♣ K953

West North East South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♦
 Pass  1♠    Pass  1NT
 Pass  3♠    Pass  ? 


I ofen get this wrong, would you bid 3nt here and please explain why?

3NT just about never opposite a passed partner. (That is possibly too often).

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Feb 25 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

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I passed, the other table got to 3nt after north opened 1♠ 
Ive got to say this is clear 1♠ for me.    My pard said I must bid 3nt.

But its my 1nt rebid that seems to have received the most wrath, is it always bad bridge to bid nt with a stiff in pards suit?

Hi,

First of all, is this a 3NT contract you want to reach?
I am not good in judging how good a given contract
is, but if they kill the heart entry at once, you need
basically the Queen of spade on the right side and
spades 3-3.
If they dont attack hearts but clubs, your chances to
make are similiar low / high, most of the time clubs
will be distributed 5-3, and they will attack hearts
or clubs, at least most of the time.

If partner wants to be in game, he should bid 4S, after
all you promised two spades, if he just bids 3S, he has to
accept it, if you pass.
He alone knows, that he holds a super maximum for a
passed hand.

Second, rebidding 1NT with a singleon in partners suit
is not the worst crime ever committed.
It is not pretty, but ... I have done it, and others have
done it as well, maybe they wont tell you in public.
The alternative would be to bid 2C.
The downside too 2C is, that you bury a possible heart
fit, or at least make it harder to locate the heart fit,
... this is depending on your follow up structure after a
1NT rebid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

ok I misread your post. from 4-4 one bids the lower suit (unless you hate diamonds like many seem to) and from 5-5 the higher suit. I thought this point was so amazingly widely accepted that it did not need making.

2♥ does not really mean "crap with both majors". if it meant that, then there is NMF available, and it would have been used with 6-4 in the majors. if there was no NMF available, then 2♥ is natural and almost forcing.

[whereagles]

katrin (your name, right?): hire pard for your company and fire him the second after

[jillybean]

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[Gerben42]

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I cannot construct any hand which passes in 2. seat and bids this way later.
If you are long and strong enough for a jump to 3 Spade, why didn´t you open 2 Spade?

1. You have a four card major outside? Bid it now.
2. You have a weak suit and all values outside? Treat it like a 5 card suit and rebid 2 Club as nmf/checkback or 2 NT to invite.

Any other reasons I missed?

Too many controls for a weak 2 bid:

♠AT9753
♥-
♦A42
♣9632

[Gerben42]

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I passed, the other table got to 3nt after north opened 1♠
Ive got to say this is clear 1♠ for me. My pard said I must bid 3nt.

Typical logic. Partner passes with an opening bid, then you pass because you know partner didn't have an opening bid, and then he says you should've known he had an opening bid and you should bid 3NT? Right.

I would have rebid 2♣ personally but I know of partnerships that bid your way.

[jillybean]

I didn't want to be in 3nt, I passed.
This was in a 7 'expert' + me team match and yes we all know that 'expert' on BBO has no baring on your bridge skill but when I lose 6 imps on a board by not bidding a game the other table find and my 'expert' partner says I should have bid, well, I do like to look at it.

Sometimes it is obvious, other times it takes me a while to realise my expert partner is full of the proverbial. So much for free advice

whereeagles - its Kathryn

[brianshark]

Playing in a partnership who play reasonably disciplined weak 2s (and that there exist hands that are too good for weak 2 but not good enough to open) then this auction very much exists. I think 1NT rebid is fine and that pass is absolutely clear. I think the entire fault of this is the hand evaluation of your partner.

[the hog]

Kathryn, your partner is full of crap. He passed an opening hand; you have a clear 100% pass. "Expert" hmm! Reminds me of the line from the Beatles "Expert texpert don't you think the joker laughs at you?"