[helene_t]

han, on Feb 15 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

2C is second choice but I don't see the need and 1D-1S-2C-2D-2S would still be an underbid imo.

Yes I suppose you are right, of my two Dutch partners one would consider it an underbid, the other would not. Haven't discussed this with any English partners yet. But although the strength of the delayed 2♠ bid is something that is regularly discussed in bidding forums, probably most would say this hand is a tad strong.

[gnasher]

pclayton, on Feb 15 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

2♣. The worst thing that can happen isn't playing 5♣. That hasn't happened yet.

The worst thing that can happen is that pard passes and we have a better partial.

Surely the worst think that can happen is that partner passes and we have a better game? KJxxx xxxx x QJx, for example.

[pclayton]

gnasher, on Feb 16 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 15 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

2♣. The worst thing that can happen isn't playing 5♣. That hasn't happened yet.

The worst thing that can happen is that pard passes and we have a better partial.

Surely the worst think that can happen is that partner passes and we have a better game? KJxxx xxxx x QJx, for example.

I suppose. I don't see how the alternatives get us to 4♠ either.

At least if pard has 2=3 in the minors I expect a preference to 2♦ and we will get to 4♠. The 3♦ bidders will play 3♦

[dake50]

4S. 3cS taking H-ruffs; good 6cD; CK. Worst case pard plays this S4-3 quite well. Good stuff sees S+D + side controls.

[gnasher]

pclayton, on Feb 16 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 16 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

Surely the worst think that can happen is that partner passes and we have a better game?  KJxxx xxxx x QJx, for example.

I suppose. I don't see how the alternatives get us to 4♠ either.

Indeed. I wasn't advocating one call over another, just nitpicking your "worst case" example.

Even the people who can show a good 6-3 might get only to 3S. After all, they might be facing AQT Kxx AKTxxx x.

[skjaeran]

I'd just rebid 2♣ here. I think that's the bid that will work out best in the long run, lacking other gadgets. Alternative being a 3♥ minisplinter, but I really don't like that with 3c support only.

[gwnn]

dake50, on Feb 16 2008, 06:20 PM, said:

4S. 3cS taking H-ruffs; good 6cD; CK. Worst case pard plays this S4-3 quite well. Good stuff sees S+D + side controls.

worst case:

-we play 4♠x-2, everyone in 3♦= or something
-we play 6♠-1 in the moysian
-we play 4♠-1 when 6♦ is cold

[P_Marlowe]

3D.

... and I dont look back.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

pclayton, on Feb 16 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 16 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 15 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

2♣. The worst thing that can happen isn't playing 5♣. That hasn't happened yet.

The worst thing that can happen is that pard passes and we have a better partial.

Surely the worst think that can happen is that partner passes and we have a better game? KJxxx xxxx x QJx, for example.

I suppose. I don't see how the alternatives get us to 4♠ either.

At least if pard has 2=3 in the minors I expect a preference to 2♦ and we will get to 4♠. The 3♦ bidders will play 3♦

Lets say you bid 2C. Pd gives preference to 2D. Then what? 2S can be bid on a 3 1 5 4 that is not as good by far as the posted hand or a 3163. Are you going to bid 3S? That may well get you overboard when 3D was your best spot. It seems to me the 2C bidders are only delaying a possible problem.

[skjaeran]

The_Hog, on Feb 17 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 16 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 16 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 15 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

2♣. The worst thing that can happen isn't playing 5♣. That hasn't happened yet.

The worst thing that can happen is that pard passes and we have a better partial.

Surely the worst think that can happen is that partner passes and we have a better game? KJxxx xxxx x QJx, for example.

I suppose. I don't see how the alternatives get us to 4♠ either.

At least if pard has 2=3 in the minors I expect a preference to 2♦ and we will get to 4♠. The 3♦ bidders will play 3♦

Lets say you bid 2C. Pd gives preference to 2D. Then what? 2S can be bid on a 3 1 5 4 that is not as good by far as the posted hand or a 3163. Are you going to bid 3S? That may well get you overboard when 3D was your best spot. It seems to me the 2C bidders are only delaying a possible problem.

Yeah, I'm planning on rebidding 3♠. That gives partner a reasonable chance to evaluate his hand and make a decision.

He'll be expecting 3154 rather than 3163, but I can live with that. We won't end in a terrible 4-3 spade contract, can reach game wen that's reasonable and else play our best (or 2nd best) partscore. We might end up in 4♦ when 3♦ is the best spot, but then I just have to take 10 tricks, wtp?