[finally17]

13. 3 Fake 4 Genuine.

I did better in the second half (8/10), and knew it before I saw the results. I'm not sure if this is because I started paying more attention or what.

[cherdano]

I won't tell how bad I was...

[gwnn]

the Asian chick smiles before and after the smile and she's fake?

also, there are quite a few "real" smiles who are like dull dull dull dull trulyhappy trulyhappy dull dull dull - they seemed artificial

[skjaeran]

I got 17 of 20, somewhat surprisingly.
Btw, the smile on my picture is genuine.

[helene_t]

Just realized that you can see the faces in motion - the computer I used to do the test had no flash installed. So maybe there is still hope for me

[PassedOut]

helene_t, on Feb 12 2008, 04:16 PM, said:

Just realized that you can see the faces in motion - the computer I used to do the test had no flash installed. So maybe there is still hope for me

That makes a big difference! I missed that too at first, but noticed it before I submitted my first answer. I also did better on the last 10 than on the first 10.

[zman102]

10/20 not too good

[DJNeill]

7 out of 20.

Thanks,
Dan

[Elianna]

gwnn, on Feb 12 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

the Asian chick smiles before and after the smile and she's fake?

I had no problems with her.

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I also did better on the last 10 than on the first 10.

I did much worse on the last 10, mainly because I got bored.

[barmar]

Doesn't work in Safari, for some reason.

[helene_t]

Not clear to me what a "fake smile" means - if I'm really sad/scared/angry AND have negative emotions towards the one with whom I have eye contact I suppose it's fake, but what if only one of the two conditions is fulfilled? What if one or both of the conditions is partially fulfilled? They write on the site that one can distinguish between automatic and controlled smiles, but almost all smiles are a combination of both. Besides, one can probably get so used to displaying fake emotions that it becomes automatic in certain situations. Is it still fake, then? If everyone knows that I'm supposed to smile in a particular situation, my smile does not convey any information so it can hardly be "fake".

This is the usual fallacy of dichotomization. It would be better to ask how controlled the smiles are, how happy the person is, and how positive his emotions towards his eye-contact partner are, each on a scale from 0 to 100 or such.

And even if one can define it theoretically, how are the "correct" answers obtained?

[Gerben42]

15 out of 20, I was much more successful than I thought.

[matmat]

couldn't they have done the videos with chimps or something?

[han]

I got 14.

I also did the second test with the faces. I found these questions quite hard except for the face which was most attractive. Somehow that one was easy.

[jdonn]

I got 12 but I think I was getting better, I got 3 of the first 7 then 9 of the last 10.

[jdonn]

helene_t, on Feb 13 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Not clear to me what a "fake smile" means - if I'm really sad/scared/angry AND have negative emotions towards the one with whom I have eye contact I suppose it's fake, but what if only one of the two conditions is fulfilled? What if one or both of the conditions is partially fulfilled? They write on the site that one can distinguish between automatic and controlled smiles, but almost all smiles are a combination of both. Besides, one can probably get so used to displaying fake emotions that it becomes automatic in certain situations. Is it still fake, then? If everyone knows that I'm supposed to smile in a particular situation, my smile does not convey any information so it can hardly be "fake".

This is the usual fallacy of dichotomization. It would be better to ask how controlled the smiles are, how happy the person is, and how positive his emotions towards his eye-contact partner are, each on a scale from 0 to 100 or such.

And even if one can define it theoretically, how are the "correct" answers obtained?

Do you know what a buzzkill is?

[cphastrup]

I got 15/20. The five I missed were 3,4,5,7 and 8 (<--- fake or genuine smiley?)

[finally17]

helene_t, on Feb 13 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Not clear to me what a "fake smile" means - if I'm really sad/scared/angry AND have negative emotions towards the one with whom I have eye contact I suppose it's fake, but what if only one of the two conditions is fulfilled? What if one or both of the conditions is partially fulfilled? They write on the site that one can distinguish between automatic and controlled smiles, but almost all smiles are a combination of both. Besides, one can probably get so used to displaying fake emotions that it becomes automatic in certain situations. Is it still fake, then? If everyone knows that I'm supposed to smile in a particular situation, my smile does not convey any information so it can hardly be "fake".

This is the usual fallacy of dichotomization. It would be better to ask how controlled the smiles are, how happy the person is, and how positive his emotions towards his eye-contact partner are, each on a scale from 0 to 100 or such.

And even if one can define it theoretically, how are the "correct" answers obtained?

Why can't it be as simple as 1) told to smile on cue, as opposed to 2) told something humorous that elicits a smile? We've certainly all experienced both of these.

There's no reason they can't try four or five things until they get an uncontrolled smile and use the tape of that one.

[TimG]

finally17, on Feb 14 2008, 09:15 PM, said:

Why can't it be as simple as 1) told to smile on cue, as opposed to 2) told something humorous that elicits a smile? We've certainly all experienced both of these.

There's no reason they can't try four or five things until they get an uncontrolled smile and use the tape of that one.

How do we know they weren't just being polite to laugh (or smile) at the supposedly humorous material?

[helene_t]

finally17, on Feb 15 2008, 03:15 AM, said:

Why can't it be as simple as 1) told to smile on cue, as opposed to 2) told something humorous that elicits a smile? We've certainly all experienced both of these.

That's certainly a good idea but then I would much prefer to have the question phrased as such, and not something involving the vague term of a "fake" smile.

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There's no reason they can't try four or five things until they get an uncontrolled smile and use the tape of that one.

This wouldn't work because it would involve the subjective judgement of the recorder of whether the smile was controlled or not.