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Scoring: ?
Uncontested, the auction proceeds:
1♥-1♠
2♦-2♥
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What's your call?
Also, do you agree with the conservative 2♦ rebid, or would you favor a more aggressive 3♦ rebid instead?
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:12
First to bid playing 2/1, you hold:
Uncontested, the auction proceeds:
1♥-1♠
2♦-2♥
?
What's your call?
Also, do you agree with the conservative 2♦ rebid, or would you favor a more aggressive 3♦ rebid instead?
Uncontested, the auction proceeds:
1♥-1♠
2♦-2♥
?
What's your call?
Also, do you agree with the conservative 2♦ rebid, or would you favor a more aggressive 3♦ rebid instead?
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:16
At IMP's, I have to admit that I'd probably blast 4♥ and hope the lack of information helps me make 4♥. At MP, 3♣.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:30
I like 3♣, tells p that spades may be a concern in 3NT. And on occasion we belong in 3♣ or 5♣.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:40
I hate 4H at any form of scoring.
First choice is 3♣, second is 3♦. One shows the third club, the other the fifth diamond.
First choice is 3♣, second is 3♦. One shows the third club, the other the fifth diamond.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:41
2♦ is bad, no matter your methods
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:52
3C, the only other call I considered was 3D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 09:53
3♣. Focuses on your spade shortage and allows pard to take preference to 3♦ with 2=3 in the reds.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 10:09
3♦, the only other call I considered was 3♣.
I don't understand the criticism of 2♦. Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this is a gf?? For those who do, I suggest you run a simulation giving partner no more than 2♥s and 4+ spades with 5-7 hcp and see how you like your auctions now.
I bid 3♦ because partner will often have preferenced to 2♥ with 3♦s: thus Kxxxx Qx Qxx Qxx is, to me, an automatic 2♥.. and the knowledge of a 5th diamond in a hand with game interest will be more useful than 3♣ which is somewhere between ambiguous and misleading re club length, while essentially denying the 5th diamond.
I don't understand the criticism of 2♦. Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this is a gf?? For those who do, I suggest you run a simulation giving partner no more than 2♥s and 4+ spades with 5-7 hcp and see how you like your auctions now.
I bid 3♦ because partner will often have preferenced to 2♥ with 3♦s: thus Kxxxx Qx Qxx Qxx is, to me, an automatic 2♥.. and the knowledge of a 5th diamond in a hand with game interest will be more useful than 3♣ which is somewhere between ambiguous and misleading re club length, while essentially denying the 5th diamond.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 10:17
I like to follow the rule of 12..if there is a bid you can make that describes 12 of your cards, make it. That has always been my justification for bidding 3C instead of 3D in situations like this. I really doubt it makes much difference as long as you choose one of the 2. Your 2D bid was perfect.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 10:40
3♣ seems fine. I would probably bid 3♦ instead with one club honor being in either other suit instead.
Also 2♦ rebid is the most normal rebid I've ever seen. Aside from not quite being good enough for 3♦, you lose the chance to make a third rebid showing your shape forever, and you have a void in the suit partner bid. Not close.
Also 2♦ rebid is the most normal rebid I've ever seen. Aside from not quite being good enough for 3♦, you lose the chance to make a third rebid showing your shape forever, and you have a void in the suit partner bid. Not close.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 10:50
This was the actual hand -
3N or 5♣ were good places, and even 6♣ might be possible with a slightly better responder or some luck. Seems hard to get to clubs at all if one chooses a 3♦ rebid at either opener's first or second turn and we might miss game too (stopping in 3♥ or 3♦ sometimes). 3♣ on the other hand seems at least to move the auction in the right direction.
PS For Ken's 4♥ blast, I've got this slightly different one
3N or 5♣ were good places, and even 6♣ might be possible with a slightly better responder or some luck. Seems hard to get to clubs at all if one chooses a 3♦ rebid at either opener's first or second turn and we might miss game too (stopping in 3♥ or 3♦ sometimes). 3♣ on the other hand seems at least to move the auction in the right direction.
PS For Ken's 4♥ blast, I've got this slightly different one
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Posted 2008-February-08, 11:32
Yep. I probably make 4♥ at IMPs.
As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠.
As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 11:42
kenrexford, on Feb 8 2008, 09:32 AM, said:
Yep. I probably make 4♥ at IMPs.
As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠.
As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠.
I played with a random yesterday. He held Axxxx, x, QJTxxx, x.
Auction started 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣. He found the genius rebid of 2♠. Whats more amazing is that he didn't run to 3♦ after it was smacked.
I held: x, KQJTx Ax Jxxxx.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 11:44
I think rebidding your suit with 5116 is the norm as well (rather than preferencing on a stiff). I don't know how you could call this a genius bid.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 11:44
kenrexford, on Feb 8 2008, 12:32 PM, said:
As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠.
Agree with 2S.
Edit: Darn, Justin just ahead of me.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 13:37
Funny how on my proposed 5116 hand we get 4/4 replies so far in favor of (re)bidding spades rather than taking a preference with a stiff.
80% of you, including Han and Justin bid a clear 2♥ last year when I asked about the same auction with 5116.
80% of you, including Han and Justin bid a clear 2♥ last year when I asked about the same auction with 5116.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 15:36
Rob F, on Feb 8 2008, 11:50 AM, said:
First hand
Second hand.
These two hands are not the same.
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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-08, 19:20
I don't like my chances opposite 10xxxx-x-x-AKxxxx, BTW. LOL.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 01:45
Strongly agree with the 2♦ rebid here - this is no GF hand.
Also agree with rebiddign 3♣, clearly gives partner the best picture of our hand.
Also agree with rebiddign 3♣, clearly gives partner the best picture of our hand.
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