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Posted 2008-February-06, 09:13

Scoring: IMP

(2♠)-P-(P)-?


What's your plan on this hand?
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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:24

I would like to double first and bid 2 NT next round to show the minors.
But maybe there is a little hole in this approach.

So I try 4 NT.

If I start with double I cannot handle Heart rebids.
If I start with 3 Spade, i cannot handle 4 Club well.
So 4 NT is it.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:28

Also 4NT for me, not enough for 4♠.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:34

3N for me, a bit heavy for 2N or 3♦.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:41

4NT.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:47

4NT - the practical bid.
The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 10:52

AT MPs I would have bid 3NT btw.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 11:33

4NT
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Posted 2008-February-06, 13:45

You play musical chairs and pick up this collection:

Scoring: IMP

(2♠)-P-(P)-4NT
(P)-?


What now?
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Posted 2008-February-06, 13:46

kfay, on Feb 6 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

What now?

5♥ has got to be a cuebid.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 14:22

helene_t, on Feb 7 2008, 05:34 AM, said:

3N for me, a bit heavy for 2N or 3♦.

Isn't 3NT to play?

I don't think you have enough for that.


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Whoops I missed a king. Sorry.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 15:30

kfay, on Feb 6 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

You play musical chairs and pick up this collection:

Scoring: IMP

(2♠)-P-(P)-4NT
(P)-?


What now?

This is a great hand and partner is bidding 4NT expecting to make 5m opposite a much worse hand.

I think I'd end up in 6C, maybe just 4NT-6C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 15:55

Hannie, on Feb 6 2008, 04:30 PM, said:

I think I'd end up in 6C, maybe just 4NT-6C.

This is how the auction went at the table. 7♣ makes, which I don't think is a big surprise. This post is all about really seeing if there's some intelligent way to bid that.

Maybe it's not a great spot but it's pretty good anyways.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 16:12

Whoops, please correct my ugly typo in your quote. :)

I don't see any auction starting with 4NT where you can bid 7C with confidence.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 16:21

Showing the minors usually seems to work out better than 3NT on this sort of hand.

So I would bid 4NT. Well actually in my partnership we use 4♠ for the minors and 4NT is an ace ask in case you are ever dealt a monster.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 16:23

Apollo81, on Feb 7 2008, 08:46 AM, said:

kfay, on Feb 6 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

What now?

5♥ has got to be a cuebid.

I am not convinced of this.

Why can't you be dealt seven or eight hearts and two-two or worse in the minors.

One of the advantages of showing specific two-suiters is that partner can bid the other suit unambiguously.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 18:04

Hannie, on Feb 6 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

Whoops, please correct my ugly typo in your quote.  :D

I don't see any auction starting with 4NT where you can bid 7C with confidence.

I am not sure this is a good auction, but I think if the advancing hand can find a 5♥ cuebid, then the 4N bidder has to force to 7m, his partner his trying for a grand slam with at most one ace and no keycard in overcaller's suits.

I think I would also bid 6♣ as advancer, though.
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Posted 2008-February-06, 18:34

It would have been a fun problem if we had not seen partner's hand and we were asked what to do over 5H. Maybe you are right.

There is still the problem that 5H might be natural as Wayne points out. Many hands with really long hearts would be able to act over 2S but certainly not all.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-06, 18:59

If my partner bid 5♥ over 4N, I'd assume it was a cuebid. 4N for the minors, if that were our method, will as often be on some moderate high card 6-6 as it will be on a powerhouse, since we can't (in most methods) show a wild minor 2-suiter via any lower bid. Thus I think it a serious error to allow advancer to suggest playing in 5♥ on a suit and hand that he couldn't introduce over 2♠. No, he simply sucks it up and bids the minor in which he wants to play: surely it is overwhelmingly likely that he has 2 in one of them?

And on a frequency/cost approach, it must be better to reserve 5♥ as a cue bid than to assume that 5♥ to play will survive any better than 5 minor on a complete misfit? It's not as if the 5♥ bidder can expect to ruff spade losers in dummy :D

So for me, 5♥ begets 5♠.

In turn, this could get 6♣ raised to 7♣ on the theory that 5♥ was a slam force, and thus a grand slam try and surely needs the Qxxx or some 5 card holding to justify it.

Not sure how much of this analysis is based on knowing the hands :)
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Posted 2008-February-06, 19:49

Hannie, on Feb 6 2008, 04:28 PM, said:

Also 4NT for me, not enough for 4♠.

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