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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-February-03, 18:10

Scoring: IMP

(p)-p-(1C)-p
(p)-??

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-03, 19:06

Not for me.
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Posted 2008-February-03, 19:32

clear no for me.
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Posted 2008-February-03, 19:43

i balance with a pass
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Posted 2008-February-03, 20:17

Not close.
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Posted 2008-February-03, 22:00

Pass, but for me this is close to 1NT.
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Posted 2008-February-03, 22:17

pass
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Posted 2008-February-03, 22:29

matmat, on Feb 3 2008, 05:43 PM, said:

i balance with a pass

Me too. We also play system on here.
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Posted 2008-February-04, 01:34

1NT.

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Posted 2008-February-04, 03:08

pclayton, on Feb 4 2008, 06:29 AM, said:

matmat, on Feb 3 2008, 05:43 PM, said:

i balance with a pass

Me too. We also play system on here.

Yes, pass is to play in balancing seat. Good system.

But seriously, if this is not even close to 1NT, would you ever bid 1NT with a passed hand, then?
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Posted 2008-February-04, 03:49

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Me too. We also play system on here.


I pass. Wouldn't be the first time that opener doubles next to show that his ♣ was short...

Anyway after a possibly 3-card opening, a passed hand natural 1NT does not seem very useful.
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Posted 2008-February-04, 04:04

helene_t, on Feb 4 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

But seriously, if this is not even close to 1NT, would you ever bid 1NT with a passed hand, then?

This pipless, shapeless hand is a long way from being a maximum for an initial pass. You could make it much better without changing the high card content - xx J10xx A98x AJ10 has the same 10 points, but is worth about a trick more. (You might choose not to balance because of the spade shortage, but that's another matter.)
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Posted 2008-February-04, 04:10

Pd didn't bid over 1C? A clear cut balance in that case and no, not even remotely close.
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Posted 2008-February-04, 11:38

Pass.
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Posted 2008-February-04, 11:46

gnasher, on Feb 4 2008, 02:04 AM, said:

helene_t, on Feb 4 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

But seriously, if this is not even close to 1NT, would you ever bid 1NT with a passed hand, then?

This pipless, shapeless hand is a long way from being a maximum for an initial pass. You could make it much better without changing the high card content - xx J10xx A98x AJ10 has the same 10 points, but is worth about a trick more. (You might choose not to balance because of the spade shortage, but that's another matter.)

Echo this. Considering you can be 4333 and a 12 count and passed initially, there's plenty of room for a 1N call.
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Posted 2008-February-04, 14:21

How about balancing with a double? if partner is weak and the opener has a monster, this gives us a better chance to escape than 1NT. If partner has a fair hand with long clubs, let them do the escaping.

I certainly wouldn't argue with a pass, however. But if you are going to take an aggressive view, why not double?
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Posted 2008-February-04, 15:23

I was playing in the main bridge club against random opponents and doubled, partner made 1S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-04, 15:31

Hannie, on Feb 4 2008, 11:23 PM, said:

I was playing in the main bridge club against random opponents and doubled, partner made 1S.

how would the random opps have fared in 1♣?
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Posted 2008-February-04, 15:39

I was dummy and don't remember the hands except that RHO didn't have a pass and my partner shouldn't have made it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-04, 16:15

Hannie, on Feb 4 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

I was dummy and don't remember the hands except that RHO didn't have a pass and my partner shouldn't have made it.

heh. moral being, don't draw conclusions about what good/bad bidding is when your opponents are monkeys?
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