[zasanya]

Scoring: IMP

P-1♣-1♦-X
1♥-1♠-2♠-X
2NT-X-3♣-X
3♦-P-P-4♦
4♥-X-P-P
5♦-P-P-5♠
P-6♠-P-P
X-P-P-P

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1♣=16+ ; 1♦=natural overcall ; X= 5+ any shape ; 1♥= not alerted so natural? ; 1♠ =natural ; 2♠=?
Undiscussed territory so I dbld, wanted to show ♠ support 10 +hcp
After 2 NT dbl 3 ♣ I figured ops knew they had ♦ fit so how do i show my ♥ to expose Wests psyche?
Anyway I dbld and W decided to show his fit by bidding 3♦.Now I could
cue ♦ and that pesky W bid 4♥; P dbld. My pass I hope showed ♥ values and after my 5 ♠ Partner finally bid slam which was dbld by W.
What do you think of the bidding?

[jtfanclub]

Looks insane on their part, very nice on yours.

The bad news is, looks like you guys are missing both red aces. The good news is, your partner should be aware of that, which means he has a heart void.

[FrancesHinden]

it seems a bit odd that after a non-space-consuming overcall i can't show positive values with a six card suit...

[zasanya]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 1 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

it seems a bit odd that after a non-space-consuming overcall i can't show positive values with a six card suit...

In our schemeof things an immediate 1♥ would show 5-8 hcp whereas dbl followed by new suit shows 9+.

[kfay]

jtfanclub, on Feb 1 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

Looks insane on their part, very nice on yours.

The bad news is, looks like you guys are missing both red aces. The good news is, your partner should be aware of that, which means he has a heart void.

Seems more likely to me that LHO is void in ♥s. If they're bidding so many ♦s and pard can't double... where are the 16+ HCP he promiesed?

[jtfanclub]

kfay, on Feb 1 2008, 05:11 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Feb 1 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

Looks insane on their part, very nice on yours.

The bad news is, looks like you guys are missing both red aces.  The good news is, your partner should be aware of that, which means he has a heart void.

Seems more likely to me that LHO is void in ♥s. If they're bidding so many ♦s and pard can't double... where are the 16+ HCP he promiesed?

You think that LHO bid 1♥ with a void, then bid 4♥ to make sure there'd be a heart lead? And 2NT was a psyche exposer, which explains why RHO passed 3♦ instead of bidding 3♥?

Ummmm...yeah, I guess that works.

[zasanya]

♥

Scoring: IMP

This was the complete hand

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West has bid very cleverly IMO.We can't find a way to reach the unbreakable 6♥ although most precision players will as they will simply bid 1♥ showing 9+ hcp5+♥.
East fortunately did not find the indicated ♥ lead.He led a mundane ♦ and we won the board handsomely.Othe room playing 2/1 reached 4♥!

[kfay]

zasanya, on Feb 2 2008, 02:01 AM, said:

♥

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ AQ952 ♥ AJ5 ♦ A10 ♣ K95 ♠ J83 ♥   ♦ KJ653 ♣ 108743 ♠ 7 ♥ 9843 ♦ Q9874 ♣ AJ2 ♠ K1064 ♥ KQ10762 ♦ 2 ♣ Q6

This was the complete hand

West has bid very cleverly IMO.We can't find a way to reach the unbreakable 6♥ although most precision players will as they will simply bid 1♥ showing 9+ hcp5+♥.
East fortunately did not find the indicated ♥ lead.He led a mundane ♦ and we won the board handsomely.Othe room playing 2/1 reached 4♥!

I rest my case.

Frankly... I don't see how East could get this wrong. Clearly West is at least an imaginative player, probably pretty decent. So why is he playing with this clueless defender who thinks 6♠ is down on a ♦ lead even considering the double... which seems lightnerish. Must be a client or something.

[akhare]

zasanya, on Feb 1 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P-1♣-1♦-X
1♥-1♠-2♠-X
2NT-X-3♣-X
3♦-P-P-4♦
4♥-X-P-P
5♦-P-P-5♠
P-6♠-P-P
X-P-P-P

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1♣=16+ ; 1♦=natural overcall ; X= 5+ any shape ; 1♥= not alerted so natural? ; 1♠ =natural ; 2♠=?
Undiscussed territory so I dbld, wanted to show ♠ support 10 +hcp
After 2 NT dbl 3 ♣ I figured ops knew they had ♦ fit so how do i show my ♥ to expose Wests psyche?
Anyway I dbld and W decided to show his fit by bidding 3♦.Now I could
cue ♦ and that pesky W bid 4♥; P dbld. My pass I hope showed ♥ values and after my 5 ♠ Partner finally bid slam which was dbld by W.
What do you think of the bidding?

Well done, but as Frances noted, it's best to get suits out on the table as soon as possible. X is best reserved for balanced GF hands with no clear direction or 5-7 points with no biddable suits.

Some people invert the meaning of P/X, but the IMO showing the suits you hold should take precedence over point count. Negative freebids at the 2 level make much more sense...

[Tcyk]

zasanya, on Feb 1 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P-1♣-1♦-X
1♥-1♠-2♠-X
2NT-X-3♣-X
3♦-P-P-4♦
4♥-X-P-P
5♦-P-P-5♠
P-6♠-P-P
X-P-P-P

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1♣=16+ ; 1♦=natural overcall ; X= 5+ any shape ; 1♥= not alerted so natural? ; 1♠ =natural ; 2♠=?
Undiscussed territory so I dbld, wanted to show ♠ support 10 +hcp
After 2 NT dbl 3 ♣ I figured ops knew they had ♦ fit so how do i show my ♥ to expose Wests psyche?
Anyway I dbld and W decided to show his fit by bidding 3♦.Now I could
cue ♦ and that pesky W bid 4♥; P dbld. My pass I hope showed ♥ values and after my 5 ♠ Partner finally bid slam which was dbld by W.
What do you think of the bidding?

I think your third double is the culpret. You showed game values with the first double, spade support with the 2nd double. Over 3C, I think you should have bid 3H. It should be obvious to partner that West is manuvering, especially with the 2NT bid. There is absolutely no way West can have the values to bid NT when you and your partner hold at least 25 HCP and East has made a bid. The 3H bid is perfectly safe because you know you are not going to stop below 4S. By bidding 3H you are finally telling partner something about your hand in addition to 9+ HCP and spade support. I don't know how I would have interpreted your third double if I were your partner. If you are playing Revision, all doubles after the first double are for penalty.

No doubt, the 2S call by East showed heart support. East obviously knew their partner because they promptly forgot about hearts after the support showing-bid.