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Weak Hand With Spades
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:03
First time partnership, but pd knows how old you are (and you're not old).
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:10
2S.
I cant bring myself to pass,
but I think 3S is too much, at least at this colors,
and you are in first position.
With kind regards
Marlowe
I cant bring myself to pass,
but I think 3S is too much, at least at this colors,
and you are in first position.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:23
2♠ is okay with me. You are allowed to have one flaw, and here it is that you don't have a good enough suit. But to compensate you have 7 of them.
No outside voids, 4-card majors, no Aces, great!
I don't have any quarrel with pass either.
No outside voids, 4-card majors, no Aces, great!
I don't have any quarrel with pass either.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:39
2S is super sick r/w. I'm all for preempting aggressively but...
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:40
If I held this hand I would pass, because it does not resemble a R/W preempt, and I am no longer young. 
However, under the stated conditions, you might have license to try a Youth 3♠ opening.
I dislike a 2♠ opening. To me, a vulnerable 2♠ does not show a 3♠ bid that is not good enough to open 3♠, it shows a different hand type, and (almost) never has a 7 card suit.
However, under the stated conditions, you might have license to try a Youth 3♠ opening.
I dislike a 2♠ opening. To me, a vulnerable 2♠ does not show a 3♠ bid that is not good enough to open 3♠, it shows a different hand type, and (almost) never has a 7 card suit.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 03:40
P_Marlowe, on Feb 1 2008, 04:10 AM, said:
but I think 3S is too much, at least at this colors,
and you are in first position.
and you are in first position.
lol way to go out on a limb
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Posted 2008-February-01, 08:07
I always open 2♠ on these hand and always we end up with p on lead, leading a spade while he would have found a better lead without my preempt. For some reason I keep opening 2♠. Maybe it's because I want people to think I'm younger than I am.
I wonder if it makes sense to agree with p that 2♠ on this hand is ok and he should not bid 3N relying on a decent suit, but bid 2N which allows me to pull 3N. Then if he bids 3N directly I can pass in confidence since I know he either has AKx of spades or he doesn't need spades for 3N.
Just a random thought.
I wonder if it makes sense to agree with p that 2♠ on this hand is ok and he should not bid 3N relying on a decent suit, but bid 2N which allows me to pull 3N. Then if he bids 3N directly I can pass in confidence since I know he either has AKx of spades or he doesn't need spades for 3N.
Just a random thought.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 08:14
helene_t, on Feb 1 2008, 08:07 AM, said:
I always open 2♠ on these hand and always we end up with p on lead, leading a spade while he would have found a better lead without my preempt. For some reason I keep opening 2♠. Maybe it's because I want people to think I'm younger than I am.
I wonder if it makes sense to agree with p that 2♠ on this hand is ok and he should not bid 3N relying on a decent suit, but bid 2N which allows me to pull 3N. Then if he bids 3N directly I can pass in confidence since I know he either has AKx of spades or he doesn't need spades for 3N.
Just a random thought.
I wonder if it makes sense to agree with p that 2♠ on this hand is ok and he should not bid 3N relying on a decent suit, but bid 2N which allows me to pull 3N. Then if he bids 3N directly I can pass in confidence since I know he either has AKx of spades or he doesn't need spades for 3N.
Just a random thought.
There is this convention called Ogust...
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Posted 2008-February-01, 08:21
cherdano, on Feb 1 2008, 04:14 PM, said:
There is this convention called Ogust...
Hmmm ... I was about to say that even if I said "bad suit, minimum" p might be disappointed with this hand. Maybe KQxxxx is the maximum of a "bad" suit at these colors, then p might go for 3N holding ♠AJx without using Ogust. Maybe this is too far-fetched. After all, the 7th spade could be useful in notrump also, for example if p has ♠Kxx and the side suits double guarded.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 08:47
Death wish hand, it is losing bridge to open 3, and 2 is just about as poor. I fail to understand the desire to throw sensible pass into the wind and open these pails 2S. Sure you have 7, big deal. I suppose if you were down 30 imps you might as well try your best to add to the total and bid. Bad suit, bad hand, bad lead impressions, hmmmm.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 14:06
I don't care about any of that. I think 2♠ is ok, though a bit borderline at these colors. I'd probably pass unless I need action, but 2♠ certainly is liveable.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 22:31
To me, it's a clear pass. There's no need to completely miscommunicate to partner just because you have long spades.
I constantly try and "Esc-wq!" to finish and post webforum replies.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 22:57
I'm 20. Pass.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 10:05
rogerclee, on Feb 1 2008, 08:57 PM, said:
I'm 20. Pass.
I'm 44. I also pass.
"Phil" on BBO
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Posted 2008-February-02, 10:10
pclayton, on Feb 2 2008, 11:05 AM, said:
rogerclee, on Feb 1 2008, 08:57 PM, said:
I'm 20. Pass.
I'm 44. I also pass.
it's like you get older every year
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Posted 2008-February-02, 10:28
Jlall, on Feb 2 2008, 08:10 AM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 2 2008, 11:05 AM, said:
rogerclee, on Feb 1 2008, 08:57 PM, said:
I'm 20. Pass.
I'm 44. I also pass.
it's like you get older every year
Dude, I was BORN old.
"Phil" on BBO
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