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Poll: How many spades do you bid? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

How many spades do you bid?

  1. 0 (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  2. NT or some other psyche (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2S (21 votes [70.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.00%

  4. 3S (8 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  5. 4S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:27

Scoring: XIMP


p-1♦-p(us)-1♥
1♠-X-?

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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:32

I would settle for 2♠. I don't think 3♠X will go very well, even at favorable.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:37

Apollo81, on Jan 29 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

I would settle for 2♠.  I don't think 3♠X will go very well, even at favorable.

I agree. Also, I feel we're ambushing partner when we have all our strength in their suit. We don't want him to be too eager to bid 4♠ over 4♥.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:40

Partner is a passed hand. What few hcp points we have are likely to be under the bidder. To me, the only point of bidding 2♠ is obstruct their bidding and I don't think it does a heckuva lot. I'm going to pass here and leave them to it. I mean maybe the extra room will help them, but I'm not going to worry about it.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:44

Passing is too much caution for me, we may well make 2♠ and they may well go down in 3♥. 3♠ on the other hand seems like begging for a phantom save.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:56

Echognome, on Jan 29 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

Partner is a passed hand. What few hcp points we have are likely to be under the bidder. To me, the only point of bidding 2♠ is obstruct their bidding and I don't think it does a heckuva lot. I'm going to pass here and leave them to it. I mean maybe the extra room will help them, but I'm not going to worry about it.

If I bid 2♠ and got doubled and went for too much and partner had 5 of them I would be really, really, really shocked.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:59

Echognome, on Jan 29 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

Partner is a passed hand. What few hcp points we have are likely to be under the bidder. To me, the only point of bidding 2♠ is obstruct their bidding and I don't think it does a heckuva lot. I'm going to pass here and leave them to it. I mean maybe the extra room will help them, but I'm not going to worry about it.

I think it's important to bid at least 2 so partner doesn't misdefend during the hand. He will never assume we have this support if we pass. Sure it could help declarer too but that somehow seems less likely to matter to me.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:18

3♠
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:19

655321, on Jan 29 2008, 11:18 PM, said:

3♠

why?
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:25

I'm normally very agressive in these situations.
But holding KJx in openers suit under him vs partners doubleton (or singleton) is bad. I'll bid 2♠ only. Switch the rounded suits and I'm more inclined to bid 3♠.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:26

jdonn, on Jan 29 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

I think it's important to bid at least 2 so partner doesn't misdefend during the hand. He will never assume we have this support if we pass. Sure it could help declarer too but that somehow seems less likely to matter to me.

Actually, this is a very good reason. I mean I really have a pessimistic view that 2♠ accomplishes anything, but take your point.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:30

gwnn, on Jan 29 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

655321, on Jan 29 2008, 11:18 PM, said:

3♠

why?

Why? No deep or subtle reasons. :)

But we are at favorable, partner is a passed hand so they will usually make game.
3♠ chews up some space they may be able to use. Perhaps they will double us in 3♠ when they shouldn't. Actually, in my experience it is very rare to be doubled in 3♠ at the vulnerability - they usually bid on even when they should double. Sometimes it helps partner to know we have 4 card support.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:04

Last time I checked 2S takes away a whole level of bidding, I think it is automatic to bid here and 3S seems too much.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:33

2S vs good opps, 3S vs most opps.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:34

gwnn, on Jan 29 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

655321, on Jan 29 2008, 11:18 PM, said:

3♠

why?

gonna take a wild guess here and say he wants to mess up their auction and is willing to take the risk of playing 3S X to do so.

This problem is really just a question of risk vs reward, and I think that is really dependant on who you are playing against. The better your opps the more likely you are to get Xed and the less likely they are to get to the wrong contract because of your preempt. At your average club game or sectional I would say that bids like 3S are big winners.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:39

2S.

Even if you believe in the Law of total tricks,
the Law tells you to slow doen, because of
the honors in their suit, which is a neg.
adj. factor, and there is no counter.

I would never pass, I owe partner a raise,
with 4 trumps, green vs. red.

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Posted 2008-January-29, 22:22

I'd also settle for 2S
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:51

3♠
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:51

Sorry, late here.

2♠ feels right. I don't want pard to dive over 4♥ unless he has a WJO he forgot to make.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 10:40

655321, on Jan 29 2008, 04:30 PM, said:

gwnn, on Jan 29 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

655321, on Jan 29 2008, 11:18 PM, said:

3♠

why?

they usually bid on even when they should double.

To me, that's actually the problem here. You know if they bid game they're going to make it, with KJx under the heart bidder. The last thing I want to do is to push them into game.

At the table, I'd bid 2♠. Here, I'm tempted to mastermind- I don't want a spade lead, bidding isn't going to slow them down, may as well pass.
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