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#1 User is offline   tomb3113 

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Posted 2008-January-29, 12:23

1-pass-pass-1
pass-1NT

1-What s the range for the 1NT bid?

2-KTxxx
Ax
QTx
QJT
Having balanced with 1 what s your bid over 1NT?

3-partner raise your 1NT to 2NT what s your bid with
Qx
Q9xx
KJx
Kxxx
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Posted 2008-January-29, 12:55

1 - My range for 1NT would be about 9-12.
2 - 2NT
3 - 3NT
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Posted 2008-January-29, 12:59

1. 9-12
2. 2NT, especially considering the good minor honor positioning that is likely here. Just picture like A9xx of clubs or AJxx diamonds in partner's hand, mmmm
3. 3NT
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Posted 2008-January-29, 13:39

1) 8-12
2) Pass.
3) 3NT.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 13:48

depends on the scoring and the vulnerability, since both factors impact how aggressively I expect partner to balance.

Having said that, the variance isn't great.

At imps, red v white, 1 has a higher minimum than at favourable mps.

1) 1N = 8+ to a horrible 13, so I am really with josh on 9-12
2) ugly 12 tho it is, it has some potentially useful spots and partner will often be able to play almost double-dummy (which sometimes means only that he knows early on that the contract is hopeless). At mps, pass and take the plus. At imps, white, very close, but I'd raise. At imps red, I'd bid 2N
3) at all scoring and vulnerability, 3N... I have a near max, and 2N asks me to bid with average plus values.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:50

Everebody agrees but this lead to play an hopeless 3NT on 23hcp...

-In balancing lawrence says that 1NT shows 9 to a bad 12...so i think that the hand with 5 spades and 12 hcp is a clear pass over 1NT...24hcp max with no insurance of a fit.

-On an other hand the 1spade bid is limited to 14pts so why should you take a bid with 9-10pts when you know there is no game.
My partner thought that the 1NT should show 11-12+ and therefore invite to game and if we follow his thought the hand with qx in spade and 11 soft pts is a clear pass of 2NT.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 14:59

It doesn't look hopeless. What was the lead?
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:03

Apollo81, on Jan 29 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

It doesn't look hopeless. What was the lead?

Hmm, it looks pretty hopeless to me on a heart lead (assuming responder doesn't have an ace).
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:05

Heart lead to the king and heart back...now the heart are set up and you still have to loose 3 aces and the jack of spade
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:06

Both players are simply minimum for their actions (balancer for his invite, his partner for his acceptance) and still game has chances. If I never reach a worse game than this again, my results will certainly improve.

Besides, you have to admire the honesty when both hands are known and we can see game is not good!
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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:38

Huh? Jdonn you say the range is 9-12 then you invite with a bad 12? Do you invite over a 14-17 NT with 7 as well :D?

Of course I know this is different because you're banking on knowing how to play the hand form the auction but I think moving over 1N with this hand is just going too far.

I will come out and say it...I would not have thought of raising with this hand! Agree with the 9-12 range though.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 16:54

#1 10-12, oppossite a non bal. 1S overcall
it would be 6/7-9, since partner borrowed
a king, ... do the math
#2 2NT
#3 Pass, min. for the 1NT call

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Posted 2008-January-29, 18:42

cherdano, on Jan 29 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jan 29 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

It doesn't look hopeless.  What was the lead?

Hmm, it looks pretty hopeless to me on a heart lead (assuming responder doesn't have an ace).

Am I looking at the hand wrong? As long as responder doesnt have like Axxx of diamonds then it has decent chances on heart honor leads which is what will happen a lot of the time. Certainly not hopeless
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