[TimG]

MFA, on Jan 23 2008, 10:39 PM, said:

If it is handled properly and all, then fine.

Why would we assume otherwise.

[MFA]

TimG, on Jan 23 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

MFA, on Jan 23 2008, 10:39 PM, said:

If it is handled properly and all, then fine.

Why would we assume otherwise.

When I write properly, I mean according to my own criteria.

[TimG]

MFA, on Jan 23 2008, 10:39 PM, said:

If you run out and file a complaint about bad ethics immediately afterwards, then this has a hollow ring to it, doesn't it?

No, I don't think so. If an opponent has a problem with an action of mine at the table, I would not mind at all if they spoke to the director afterward. In some cases the director will tell my opponent that they are wrong and and the matter will be resolved without me ever put in a position of needing to defend myself or explain my action.

If the director thinks my opponent has a valid concern and then speaks to me about the matter, perhaps getting my side of the story, that's fine, too.

I've had players speak to the director about something I've done at the table more than once. The director usually comes over to me and asks if I've psyched, I say I have, and the director makes some (let's assume) appropriate statement. That's much better than the opponents calling the director to the table.

I've had the District recorder notify me that a recorder memo has been filed as the result of a psyche I made. In this particular case, the director was not notified. I had no problem with that.

[blackshoe]

The problem, it seems to me, comes when somebody goes crying to the director, he adjusts the score in their favor, and the other side only find out about it after the fact - and possibly after the correction period has expired.

[Elianna]

blackshoe, on Jan 23 2008, 09:44 PM, said:

The problem, it seems to me, comes when somebody goes crying to the director, he adjusts the score in their favor, and the other side only find out about it after the fact - and possibly after the correction period has expired.

But isn't that a problem with the director, not the person talking to the director?

[TimG]

blackshoe, on Jan 24 2008, 12:44 AM, said:

The problem, it seems to me, comes when somebody goes crying to the director, he adjusts the score in their favor, and the other side only find out about it after the fact - and possibly after the correction period has expired.

That's not proper handling of the situation by the director.

[blackshoe]

Yep.

In most cases, I don't think much of players who go behind opponents' back to whine to the director (although there are times when it's the right thing to do), but I think a director who supports this kind of behavior is worse.

[TimG]

blackshoe, on Jan 24 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

In most cases, I don't think much of players who go behind opponents' back to whine to the director (although there are times when it's the right thing to do), but I think a director who supports this kind of behavior is worse.

I think you're coming at this with the wrong attitude.

Your "behind opponents' backs" is my "with discretion". Your "whining" is my "informing".

If the player who goes to the director really is whining, all the better that he has left me out of it. Why would I want to be witness?

[jdonn]

TimG, on Jan 24 2008, 09:58 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Jan 24 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

In most cases, I don't think much of players who go behind opponents' back to whine to the director (although there are times when it's the right thing to do), but I think a director who supports this kind of behavior is worse.

I think you're coming at this with the wrong attitude.

Your "behind opponents' backs" is my "with discretion". Your "whining" is my "informing".

If the player who goes to the director really is whining, all the better that he has left me out of it. Why would I want to be witness?

Ditto 100%. Blackshoe, you certainly have a way of wording the opposing viewpoint in the most negative way possible.

[blackshoe]

I did not say that a player who speaks with the director away from the table or after the round or session is necessarily going behind the opponents' backs. I did not say that such a player is necessarily whining. Please don't read more into my words than is actually there.