[P_Marlowe]

#1 minors, 5-4 possible
#2 see 1

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

matmat, on Jan 19 2008, 07:14 AM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 19 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

Playing an immediate U2NT or Michaels as sound, this is a trashy 5-5, any two unbid suits.

so is it a good idea to let opps exchange information before forcing to the 3 level on a bad hand?

No, but the situation is a prebalancing situation.
Opener is limited, responder is limited, i.e. if
you have the shape to act, you have to do it
now, or you wont have another chance.

As it is, a 2NT bid in the bal. position could also
only 4-4, you have to decide for your own, if
you would make a prebal. 2NT bid with 4-4.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I did not look at the vulnerability, and you did
not state it.

[P_Marlowe]

matmat, on Jan 19 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

<snip>
Pre-balancing makes no sense to me here.  RHO rebid 2♠, but could still be quite strong, and LHO may still have game invitational values. To me it is much different than the more classical (1M)-P-(2M)-blah pre-balance.

What is more likely, that responder is 10-12 bal.
or has a 3 card limit raise, in which case they
have a 6-2 or 6-3 fit (and we have therefore
an 8 card trump fit as well), or that he holds the
weak version.
And regarding strength, the strength will be fairly
evenly distributed, opener will have on av. 13-14,
and responder 8, which makes it 22 to 18.

The only real risk is, that they have no fit, thats
why you should not step in with 4-4.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

matmat, on Jan 19 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 19 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

Playing an immediate U2NT or Michaels as sound, this is a trashy 5-5, any two unbid suits.

so is it a good idea to let opps exchange information before forcing to the 3 level on a bad hand?

Well it's not a bid I would make more than once per decade or so. I'm thinking of something like

-
Kx
QJxxx
QJxxxx

Maybe not the best example one could come up with. The point is that it should be a hand that has 3-level safety but for some systematic reason couldn't bid immediately. The reason most likely being that the hand has too little over-all strength.

[Codo]

helene_t, on Jan 21 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

Well it's not a bid I would make more than once per decade or so. I'm thinking of something like

-
Kx
QJxxx
QJxxxx

Maybe not the best example one could come up with. The point is that it should be a hand that has 3-level safety but for some systematic reason couldn't bid immediately. The reason most likely being that the hand has too little over-all strength.

Maybe the problem is that there is no good example?

A 6/5 hand with QJ combos at the top looks like a perfect hand for an unusual NT to me. And if you take away the King of hearts in your example, the hand is too weak to come in now. And as it is now. a direct 2 NT had worked, so I am not really convinced.

[skjaeran]

whereagles, on Jan 21 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

matmat, on Jan 19 2008, 10:17 PM, said:

long story short.

p bid this way with 4=4=4=1 18 count with ♠AQxx;

hum.. wasn't pard supposed to be a passed hand?

Try reading the OP.
The 2NT overcaller was in 3rd seat after p-1♠.

[whereagles]

skaeran, on Jan 21 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 21 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

matmat, on Jan 19 2008, 10:17 PM, said:

long story short.

p bid this way with 4=4=4=1 18 count with ♠AQxx;

hum.. wasn't pard supposed to be a passed hand?

Try reading the OP.
The 2NT overcaller was in 3rd seat after p-1♠.

ah, ok. somepne gave me the impression overcaller was passed.