[patroclo]

I wish to know, how many people are interested to the possibilty to change lin file in pbn after have played in bbo to use other software for analize these hands.
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Gigi

[Cave_Draco]

I would be interested in such a conversion program, but not interested enough to write the software, .

I did set up one BBO session as a Tournament for Jack 2.0; time consuming...

P.S. My P is better than Jack, .

[yapuka]

Hello,

That would indeed be a nice thing to be able to do!

[yapuka]

Hello,

I am trying to combine different Vugraph files into one LIN file to allow viewing of a recent match.

Where can I find a list of tags for this format?

TIA,

Martin

[Erkson]

You will find a converter .lin ---> .pbn and many other formats conversions at :
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sackab/kgb/

But, IMHO, there are so many errors in the .lin files written by vugraph on your hard disk (missing boards, vulnerability, player's name missing etc...) that interest is reduced.

Erkson

[DenisO]

Yes I'd be very interested if someone produced one that actually works!. Matt Ginsberg had one on www.gibware.com but I've never been able to get it working. Similarly Kaj Backas' Batch Converter doesn't work for me with *.lin input (but does work for some of the advertised conversions).

I think it is essential to have a reliable converter as so many tournaments are now being covered by Fred but none of the computer bridge programs such as GIB or Jack understand lin files

[uday]

Why the sudden interest in PBN files? What would you do w/PBN files?

[luis]

A PBN file can be imported for example in DealMasterPro so we can then analize the hands or run a simulation of the hands or get makeable contracts and analisys using DeepFinesse.

I'd love to be able to export bridge movies for .pbn
Please!

Luis

[DenisO]

In response to Uday, PBN (portable bridge notation) has essentially become the de facto standard for exchanging bridge info. All the better computer programs now use it so one can replay the big tournaments and compare your bidding/play with the experts. Also useful for double dummy analysis.

[inquiry]

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Why the sudden interest in PBN files? What would you do w/PBN files?

There are a number of wonderful utilities for playing with PBN files. One example is there are several PBN to Text and PBN to HTML programs around. So the person who asked if you would make a text version of the hands at myhands.com available could do this quickly for themselves... they could 1) download the lin file, 2) edit out the html "junk" at the end of the file, 3) convert to PBN, 4) use PBN2TXT program(s) to generate their own text-based output to share by email.

Of course to review/play the hands one need only use BridgeVu.... what with DF, you can even use it as a double dummy kind of solver.

[Erkson]

An attempt to solve the problem of conversion from .lin to .pbn is discussed at
http://lists.gibware.com/pipermail/discuss...May/004897.html
http://lists.gibware.com/pipermail/discuss...une/004901.html
http://lists.gibware.com/pipermail/discuss...une/004902.html

Erkson

[hrothgar]

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Why the sudden interest in PBN files? What would you do w/PBN files?

This is actually an interesting illustration of a phenomena that I brought up earlier. Standardized interfaces are a good thing.

Portable Bridge Notation was designed as an open standard to represent bridge hands. It provides a fairly comprehensive mechanism to store information. LIN is much better for annotating hands. I don't believe that an application like Bridge Master could be developed using PBN files.

Balanced against this, there are a large number of software applications that are able to use PBN files as standard I/O. This widespread adoption is very much a result of PBN's open format.

I would argue that the more third party applications that are able to interoperate with BBO, the more popular the site will become.

[inquiry]

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Why the sudden interest in PBN files? What would you do w/PBN files?

This is actually an interesting illustration of a phenomena that I brought up earlier. Standardized interfaces are a good thing.

I think standardization of file format and standardization of interface per se are two separate issues. Both LIN and PBN are "standard" file formats. PBN is more popular of course. But the great news is that BridgeVu reads PBN files just fine. What others need to do if they are interested is make their software read LIN files. I can read them both with my naked eye, so one has to suspect that computer programmers, if they were interested, could convert between them fairly easily.