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#1 User is offline   Feegle 

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Posted 2008-January-09, 08:22

Scoring: IMP

All vul. IMPs. RHO deals and opens 3 Diamonds.
I would appreciate some expert thoughts on this type of hand. In the cold light of day I'm (for what it's worth) leaning towards a swift PASS. At the table I counted my points and 'pass' went on the back burner, never to emerge.
(Incidentally, I seem to pick up a lot of 4-4-4-1 hands on BBO).
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Posted 2008-January-09, 08:33

3N.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 08:35

I think that you have two (reasonable) choices

1. Pass, planning to pass again if partner re-opens with a double
2. 3N

I prefer 3N
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Posted 2008-January-09, 08:36

I'd bid 3NT at the table, I just can't pass.... pd rates to be short in ♦ and will bid 3♠ on most hands we have game on... but I can't pass :)
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Posted 2008-January-09, 08:44

Hi,

you have two options,
#1 either make a t/o X, intending to bid 3NT over 3S,
to pass after a 4S bid,
#2 or to bid 3NT,
take your pick.

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Posted 2008-January-09, 09:13

hrothgar, on Jan 9 2008, 03:35 PM, said:

I think that you have two (reasonable) choices

1.  Pass, planning to pass again if partner re-opens with a double
2.  3N

I prefer 3N



OK but passing again may depend of the vul with that poor holding in ♦
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Posted 2008-January-09, 09:33

P_Marlowe, on Jan 9 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Hi,

you have two options,
#1 either make a t/o X, intending to bid 3NT over 3S,
to pass after a 4S bid,
#2 or to bid 3NT,
take your pick.

With kind regards
Marlowe

What do you intend to bid over 4♠?

I really don't like a takeout double here... Seems too dangerous
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Posted 2008-January-09, 09:36

I'd sooner bid 3♥ than double, but 3N is quite clear. Second choice is pass.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 09:40

I've had some success with a 3♥ call in these situations and thats what I would do here.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 09:45

hrothgar, on Jan 9 2008, 10:33 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 9 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Hi,

you have two options,
#1 either make a t/o X, intending to bid 3NT over 3S,
    to pass after a 4S bid,
#2 or to bid 3NT,
take your pick.

With kind regards
Marlowe

What do you intend to bid over 4♠?

I really don't like a takeout double here... Seems too dangerous

To pass, as I have written, not that
I will be happy, but I will pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-January-09, 11:11

Pass.

If partner bids 3S, then I will bid 3N.

If partner manages to make a reopening double, I really think I have to give at least some consideration to playing 6C/6H (possibly even 7) before leaving the double in. There must be some play for slam in one of those suits, assuming partner has his expected values.

If forced to bid initially, I would much prefer a direct 3N to either 3H or double.

jmoo.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2008-January-09, 11:39

Since I'm extra weird, I pass NV, but bid 3♥ or 3NT V, depending on the scoring and my mood. I figure that, hey, partner's short in diamonds. If we're NV and he has 13 cards, he'll probably find a bid.

Oh, and if I pass, no way do I leave in a double by P. A9xx looks like one diamond trick to me. 3♦X shouldn't go down more than 2.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 12:51

jtfanclub, on Jan 9 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

A9xx looks like one diamond trick to me. 3♦X shouldn't go down more than 2.

You dont think you can score at least 1 spade ruff with this holding? And probably 2?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2008-January-09, 13:06

3N
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Posted 2008-January-09, 13:21

I would pass, with 3♥ as 2nd choice when I need "action".
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Posted 2008-January-09, 13:35

3NT
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 14:41

bid_em_up, on Jan 9 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Jan 9 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

A9xx looks like one diamond trick to me.  3♦X shouldn't go down more than 2.

You dont think you can score at least 1 spade ruff with this holding? And probably 2?

Assuming opener has 7 diamonds, I expect their side has 6 diamond tricks and 1 or 2 outside tricks. In order to change that with ruffs, you'd have to actually ruff out their spade tricks (if they have any), which I think is unlikely.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 16:39

I'm not an expert, but my .02 is 3NT. Hamman's Rule.

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Posted 2008-January-11, 05:02

Thanks all.
I checked what people (12 of them, Main Room) had chosen.
7 for double, 2 for 3 Hearts, 2 for Pass and 1 for 3NT (me).
The double seems more 'flexible' but snapped on two occasions when the doubler heard 4 Spades and didn't have bottle to pass it. Ugliness ensued!
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Posted 2008-January-11, 05:15

3NT, second choice 3H. No third choice. I regard pass as poor.
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