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My favorite...a bidding problem

Poll: And you? (61 member(s) have cast votes)

And you?

  1. pass (5 votes [8.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.20%

  2. double (21 votes [34.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.43%

  3. 5 clubs (35 votes [57.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.38%

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#1 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2008-January-07, 04:20

Scoring: IMP

1♦ (4♠) to you

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Posted 2008-January-07, 05:07

Double ... seems way too simple for a jdonn problem so I guess I'm missing something, probably 7♣. Two aces, singleton in partner's suit suggest defence notwithstanding those extra couple of clubs.

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Posted 2008-January-07, 05:37

I'll bid a simple 5♣. With a bit of luck this is even natural :)
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Posted 2008-January-07, 05:45

As I recall, LHO was a passed hand, wasn't he?
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Posted 2008-January-07, 06:47

5♣ looks like the normal bid, so I make it.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 07:06

first instinct is to bid, it might not make, but has the upside of being raised to cold slam sometimes.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 07:24

Hi,

I wont pass, and I wont double, depending on your agreement,
double is for penalty, so 5C it is.

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Posted 2008-January-07, 09:16

I bid 5♣ and try to think later if is really was a good bid or not.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 10:09

In Imps, it is important to score at your side of the sheet. As it goes, I think I will more successful achieving that goal by Double.

The risk of 4E making is minimum.
I have two defensive tricks and I am favorite to ruff one Diam.
It is very likely that partner will contribute with a Diam and a Heart trick and if he is short in Clubs (e.g. 3451) we will be very sucessful.

Although I hold a very offensive hand, 5C should show more (I hold a 7 losers hand) or, at least, a better suit.
It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 10:44

I think I got another one of those 'why don't you just bid like a human being?' from my partner the last time I had seven cards in a suit but somehow never mentioned them when it was reasonable to do so.

5♣
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Posted 2008-January-07, 10:48

Double is retarded. 5♣ is obvious.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 10:56

Argh.. 5♣
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Posted 2008-January-07, 12:31

clear 5♣ call

if you double on these sort of hands youll give away a double or single game swing twice for every time you win by doubling
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Posted 2008-January-07, 19:22

I think passing is more reasonable than it's getting credit for, but I'd probably just shoot out 5C. Double is just asking for a 5D bid or something from partner, if I could force him to pass I would definitely X though.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 22:28

I'm with Justin in thinking that pass has a lot going for it.

A penalty double is probably best but that is probably not what does shows - it certainly isn't for me.

Partner's most likely hand is balanced crap which is good for double because he will probably pass (although it will sometimes make when he has that hand) but bad for bidding as 5♣ will often fail.

As I often do when looking at situations like this I did a very crude simulation on approximately the following conditions:

Opener has a standard american 1♦ - 4=4=3=2 or balanced with four diamonds or long diamonds unbalanced and not 15-17 balanced.

The opponent has some distribution and seven or more spades (and probably is not going several down.

The initial simulation suggested a small gain for bidding 5♣ over passing but was very sensitive to things like allowing the opponents to double you when 5♣ was not making and the possibilities that partner will bid 6♣ making sometimes and not making other times.

All in all it is pretty close between that and bidding 5♣ but I will stick with my initial guess and pass.

If double is unitaterally penalties then that would be much better.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 01:24

cardsharp, on Jan 7 2008, 06:07 AM, said:

Double ... seems way too simple for a jdonn problem so I guess I'm missing something

Well....

miguelm, on Jan 7 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

In Imps, it is important to score at your side of the sheet. As it goes, I think I will more successful achieving that goal by Double.

pclayton, on Jan 7 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

Double is retarded. 5♣ is obvious.

Jlall, on Jan 7 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

I think passing is more reasonable than it's getting credit for

With more feelings in each of those directions. So maybe it's not so simple.

I'm pretty sure LHO was not a passed hand Helene. I checked back before I posted, but I won't bet my life on it.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 06:49

lol

Hei, I have been called retarded.... thanks pclayton, long time I didn't get one of those... and as an argument I have to say it is really convincent :)
It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 07:19

I voted for 5C (days ago).
This is one of those hands where you know double is 'right' as long as partner can see your hand before deciding what to do over it.

Pass has a lot going for it, but I can't face it.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 10:47

jdonn, on Jan 8 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure LHO was not a passed hand Helene. I checked back before I posted, but I won't bet my life on it.

Myhands agrees with you. My bad.

Btw, at five other tables in the main room the auction started the same way. Three players bid 5♣ and two passed. This is surprising since some posters say they would double if that would be penalties - and a random BBO partner would probably take it as penalties.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 11:12

Gnome told me what happened later.

To be clear, I think double is retarded, not the doubler :rolleyes:
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