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My favorite...a bidding problem

Poll: And you? (61 member(s) have cast votes)

And you?

  1. pass (5 votes [8.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.20%

  2. double (21 votes [34.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.43%

  3. 5 clubs (35 votes [57.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.38%

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#21 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2008-January-08, 11:30

pclayton, on Jan 8 2008, 12:12 PM, said:

Gnome told me what happened later.

To be clear, I think double is retarded, not the doubler :rolleyes:

You would have doubled too if you knew how the auction would continue :D
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Posted 2008-January-08, 11:46

For me Doubl is much worse than pass. So real choice is between pass and 5♣, and i think that 2 world class players holding this hand in a team match won't try to outsmart themselves by passing
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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:06

Since it sort of leaked, I doubled, and I was certainly happy about it when partner passed. Until his hand turned out to be Jx xx AQJxx KQxx and they were cold...

In fairness partner having a doubleton heart and four clubs seems like pretty much a fluke, and hardly a reason not to double (the real reason seems to be fear partner will bid 5♦.) Still some of the responses are causing me to rethink things.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 21:29

I made the retarded double, but in defense of retards everywhere I assumed it was penalty.
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Posted 2008-January-10, 09:38

jdonn, on Jan 8 2008, 01:06 PM, said:

Since it sort of leaked, I doubled, and I was certainly happy about it when partner passed. Until his hand turned out to be Jx xx AQJxx KQxx and they were cold...

I don't like to base arguments on results, and I won't do that here as well... but I can't stop myself from comment that "cold" game, in which you had to face with 3 losers after trick one, which can become 4 if you handle the Diams. the wrong way (and it is far from clear which one is the right way lol).

:)
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Posted 2008-January-10, 11:16

miguelm, on Jan 10 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 8 2008, 01:06 PM, said:

Since it sort of leaked, I doubled, and I was certainly happy about it when partner passed. Until his hand turned out to be Jx xx AQJxx KQxx and they were cold...

I don't like to base arguments on results, and I won't do that here as well... but I can't stop myself from comment that "cold" game, in which you had to face with 3 losers after trick one, which can become 4 if you handle the Diams. the wrong way (and it is far from clear which one is the right way lol).

:)

There are only 2 quick losers (in hearts). Cold was an overbid but if you can get the diamonds right you will always make.
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Posted 2008-January-10, 11:35

Okay, just two different definitions of cold :)
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Posted 2008-January-11, 11:47

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If double is unitaterally penalties then that would be much better.


Disagree even if X is 100% penalty i still think 5C is reasonnable. X maybe be better but not by much. The X is likely to bring only 100 pts. Im not really afraid of X and they make it, im more afraid that we make 6C and get only 200/500.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 16:05

benlessard, on Jan 12 2008, 06:47 AM, said:

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If double is unitaterally penalties then that would be much better.


Disagree even if X is 100% penalty i still think 5C is reasonnable. X maybe be better but not by much. The X is likely to bring only 100 pts. Im not really afraid of X and they make it, im more afraid that we make 6C and get only 200/500.

I think it is much more likely that neither side can make anything than that either side can make a game or slam.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 16:15

jdonn, on Jan 10 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

miguelm, on Jan 10 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 8 2008, 01:06 PM, said:

Since it sort of leaked, I doubled, and I was certainly happy about it when partner passed. Until his hand turned out to be Jx xx AQJxx KQxx and they were cold...

I don't like to base arguments on results, and I won't do that here as well... but I can't stop myself from comment that "cold" game, in which you had to face with 3 losers after trick one, which can become 4 if you handle the Diams. the wrong way (and it is far from clear which one is the right way lol).

:)

There are only 2 quick losers (in hearts). Cold was an overbid but if you can get the diamonds right you will always make.

Josh, this is an interesting new variant of the reading and replying problem :)
You say "Opponents are cold for game", someone replies "No, we are not cold for game", then you say "yes I was right, we are pretty much cold for game, i.e. on a guess".
[Or is it me who has reading comprehension troubles??]
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Posted 2008-January-11, 18:51

cherdano, on Jan 11 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 10 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

miguelm, on Jan 10 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 8 2008, 01:06 PM, said:

Since it sort of leaked, I doubled, and I was certainly happy about it when partner passed. Until his hand turned out to be Jx xx AQJxx KQxx and they were cold...

I don't like to base arguments on results, and I won't do that here as well... but I can't stop myself from comment that "cold" game, in which you had to face with 3 losers after trick one, which can become 4 if you handle the Diams. the wrong way (and it is far from clear which one is the right way lol).

:)

There are only 2 quick losers (in hearts). Cold was an overbid but if you can get the diamonds right you will always make.

Josh, this is an interesting new variant of the reading and replying problem :)
You say "Opponents are cold for game", someone replies "No, we are not cold for game", then you say "yes I was right, we are pretty much cold for game, i.e. on a guess".
[Or is it me who has reading comprehension troubles??]

Maybe the correct term isn't "cold" but rather "cool" or "nippy".
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Posted 2008-January-11, 19:23

.... Well the main point was that Donn said that THEIR game is colded, then defended this claim by saying how OUR game is "cold". I really think it's a new high when a posted doesn't know what he is replying to when he is quoting himself...
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Posted 2008-January-12, 00:52

cherdano, on Jan 11 2008, 08:23 PM, said:

.... Well the main point was that Donn said that THEIR game is colded, then defended this claim by saying how OUR game is "cold". I really think it's a new high when a posted doesn't know what he is replying to when he is quoting himself...

I really think it's a new low when you have nothing better to contribute than this.
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