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How to get to 4 hearts Does this make sense or do you think dif

#1 User is offline   Wackojack 

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Posted 2008-January-05, 08:32

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West opens the bidding with a 12-14 no trump. North passes. East bids 2 and South doubles. How would you and your favourite partner (or yourself) get to 4, and avoid the almost certainly doomed 3NT?

Here is my suggestion:
1NT pass 2 dble
pass (i) pass rdble(ii) pass
4(iii)

(i) pass = I have a doubleton
(ii) rdble = I do not have a stop to bid NT or 6 hearts to rebid . I am oriented to playing in rather than no trumps, otherwise I might have bid 3 asking for a stop. I have at least a game invite.
(iii) 4 = Athough I have a stop, we might not have the quick tricks to make 3NT. My Kx makes a heart contract more attactive and I have to bid 4 as partner might pass 3.

Does this make sense or do you think differently?
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Posted 2008-January-05, 08:57

Redouble ought to be an attempt to play in 2 redoubled. But East can bid 3, over which West can bid three (or four, if you prefer) hearts since he has already shown a doubleton, and his hearts are particularly strong while his diamond holding is not.
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Posted 2008-January-05, 11:02

I think it could go like this:

1N-P-2D-X
P*-P-3D**-P
3H***-P-4H

*denies 3-4 hearts
**game force - doubts (this should be considered a cue bid, IMO)
***secondary hearts, doubtful diamonds
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Posted 2008-January-05, 11:45

I would start

1nt-ps-2-X
2!-ps-3-ps


2 denies support, 3 just shows a strong hand.

At this point it woul be possible for opener to bid 3 instead of 3NT to show good heart tolerance, but nobody would blame hom for going the easy route.
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Posted 2008-January-05, 16:04

Without specific agreements (and good luck to those who can manage this situation unambiguously) I think East should bid 3H on the second round. As West I will raise to four.
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Posted 2008-January-05, 16:14

Halo, on Jan 5 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

Without specific agreements (and good luck to those who can manage this situation unambiguously) I think East should bid 3H on the second round. As West I will raise to four.

It's even better to bid 3 on the first round. That way, 4th hand can't get a lead directing double in and you will probably cruise home in 3NT.
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Posted 2008-January-06, 01:07

Disagree with this. Redouble forces partner to accept the transfer.

Edit: Sorry you must mean redouble by the 1NT bidder?

If this is the case then I also disagree that this is an attempt to play 2XX, especially when playing a weak NT. Redouble should be a hand that would accept a gametry by partner.
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Posted 2008-January-06, 02:13

dburn, on Jan 5 2008, 09:57 AM, said:

Redouble ought to be an attempt to play in 2 redoubled. But East can bid 3, over which West can bid three (or four, if you prefer) hearts since he has already shown a doubleton, and his hearts are particularly strong while his diamond holding is not.

There have been a number of posts in this thread suggesting different things, but to me this post perfectly describes the normal treatments after a double of a transfer.
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