[mikeh]

Scoring: IMP

All red, imps, North deals and opens 2♥, and his partner bids 4♥ over any lower action by East.

Assume roman jump overcalls not available to EW (yes, I know they should be)

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What is your preferred auction?

I expect just about all posters to have an auction to 7♦, since I have shown the hands, so maybe there is not much technical merit to the post, but I thought it was an interesting at-the-table hand.

[whereagles]

prolly something like this is sensible

2♥ . pass 4♥ dbl
pass 5NT pass 6♦
(all pass)

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Jan 4 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

prolly something like this is sensible

2♥ . pass 4♥ dbl
pass 5NT pass 6♦
(all pass)

You think pass over 2♥ is sensible???

Mike, any agreement if 3♥ would be Michaels or stopper ask? Also any on 4♥ direct overcall?

[jtfanclub]

mikeh, on Jan 4 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

[EASTWEST=North,Both,IMP,Kx,QJ,AKxx,AKJxx,AJxxxx,,QJ10xxxx,]

2♥ 3♥ 4♥ 4NT
-P- 6♦

Damned if I know how to find 7.

[mike777]

4D

Leaping Michaels looks like a start anyway.

over a major suit weak two bid 4c or 4d shows that suit and the other major.

IF toys are banned I will try 3D over 2H.

[rogerclee]

I do not think 6D is hard to reach. It is not hard to construct a bunch of auctions that end in 6D, most of them sensible.

W will never bid 7D with QJ of hearts, and E will never bid 7D missing so many important cards. It comes down to an auction where E is able to show a heart void.

2H-3H-4H-X
P-5H*-P-6NT**
P-7D-AP

*: Congratulations if you have an agreement here that since 4NT is a strong two-suiter, 5H must be a strong two-suiter with a heart void.

**Pick a grand.

[ASkolnick]

Here this is reasonable playing leaping michaels.

2♥-4♦-4♥-X-P-5♥-P-7♦

When partner bids 5H over 4H, he rates to have a heart void. You are sitting with the AK of his suit, AK of an outside suit and the KS. I do not think my partner has a heart.

[mikeh]

jdonn, on Jan 4 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 4 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

prolly something like this is sensible

2♥ . pass 4♥ dbl
pass 5NT pass 6♦
(all pass)

You think pass over 2♥ is sensible???

Mike, any agreement if 3♥ would be Michaels or stopper ask? Also any on 4♥ direct overcall?

Josh, I held the South hand at the other table, and the EW really screwed up against us... I was playing with a regular partner and our wives were our teammates at a small, handicapped club game.. to give you an idea of how weak the field was (altho there were 2 decent teams out of 7) the opps overcalled 2♠ and then doubled 4♥ and the 6=7 hand sat for it

I think that our teammates would have taken 3♥ as Michaels, and, as I noted, 4♦ as a 2-suiter was NOT available, altho both said afterwards that they liked the idea

As it is, east overcalled 3♦, intending to rebid 4♠ if it came back to her at a level that permitted it.... an approach that I think is reasonable even if 3♥ is Michaels

[cherdano]

I would rather bid 5♦ than pass with the East hand. I would also like to know the agreement for 3H.

[jdonn]

2♥ 3♥ 4♥ 5nt
P 7♦??? is my version of realism. I am pretty confident west should bid 5NT, banking on losing just a heart for slam, and I have no idea what east would bid but can 7 really be off opposite a west that forced to slam?

I have no idea if the actual hand is influencing me or not. If east was 5251 I'm sure I would be saying different things

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Jan 4 2008, 09:19 PM, said:

You think pass over 2♥ is sensible???

Yeah, why not? By passing now and bidding 4 or 5NT late I show some huge 2-suiter with low hcp, which is what I have.

[jdonn]

Double posted (to run up my tally of course. just kidding)

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Jan 4 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 4 2008, 09:19 PM, said:

You think pass over 2♥ is sensible???

Yeah, why not? By passing now and bidding 4 or 5NT late I show some huge 2-suiter with low hcp, which is what I have.

And when it goes 2♥ P P to partner and he is a 1543 13 count you expect him to.....

It's easy to say I am 6-7 so this will never be passed out, but if partner is long in hearts that's exactly what will happen.

[pclayton]

3♥ makes sense even . I might even make the call if I were playing Leaping Michaels. Its a visceral feeling, but I think a LM call is *more* honor strength than this hand contains. I would raise 3♠ to 4 and push on to 5♦ if pard preferred a minor, which seems to be a good description.

The 2=2=4=5 moose is a harder hand to bid and I haven't convinced myself I can glide this into 7. Those that say the W hand must contain a heart void are totally influenced by the actual hands. Why isn't a 6=1=6=0 possible?

In actuality, I would 4N and 5♥ over 5♦. Its entirely possible that the 7-6 hand gives a 6♦ call and the 2245 moves on.

Obviously I'm influenced by seeing the whole hand though.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I guess with no 2-suiter agreement 3D
over 2H is the best start.
After 4H it will be tough to reach 7D, at
least in a sensible / controlled way,
because of the lack of agreement and
space.
After all the partner of the 3D overcaller
is missing a heart and a spade first round
control, and because he has just 2 hearts,
the heart void with partner is not clear cut

If you play that 4NT over 4H is something
like good-bad, than you may reach 7D, but
I would doubt it, I will reach 6D.
And the 3D overcaller cant bid 7D on its own,
without asking for key cards. how does he know
partner has AK in diamonds?
And he maybe wary, that his partner may credit
him with more HCP, he has a min, at least given
his amount of HCP.

Given that the field is weak, there is no reason
to bid 7D anyway.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

Since 4♦ is not available for 2-suiters, I'd start with 3♥ (should be 2-suiter with ♠)...

2♥ - 3♥ - 4♥ - 4NT
Pass - ???

Now here's a problem. I think I'll bid 5♥, what can it be? I mean, if you want to bid 6♦, you might as well show your void on the way... Now West knows grand slam is probably on and can bid 5NT raising every minor you bid.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Jan 5 2008, 02:59 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 4 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 4 2008, 09:19 PM, said:

You think pass over 2♥ is sensible???

Yeah, why not? By passing now and bidding 4 or 5NT late I show some huge 2-suiter with low hcp, which is what I have.

And when it goes 2♥ P P to partner and he is a 1543 13 count you expect him to.....

It's easy to say I am 6-7 so this will never be passed out, but if partner is long in hearts that's exactly what will happen.

dude, you've been seeing too many horror movies

of course stuff can go wrong with pass, but so can it go wrong with an overcall

[Fluffy]

2♥-2♠-4♥-X
ps-5♦-ps-6♣
ps-6/7♦-all pass

I know I said it before, bidding diamonds first with a 7-6 is ridicoulous, you can't ever dream to show this distribution and when opponents compete in hearts you would much rather show a 6-6 or even 6-5 than a 5-7 or 5-6.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Jan 5 2008, 07:07 AM, said:

of course stuff can go wrong with pass, but so can it go wrong with an overcall

That's pretty hard to imagine. Have you ever heard someone complain of a bad score because they bid too much on their 7-6 hand?