What does partner's hand look like?
#1
Posted 2008-January-06, 20:46
You hold ♠AQxxx ♥x ♦KJx ♣QJxx and open 1♠ in first seat, at IMPs/KO. Your LHO passes, and partner bids 1NT, 99% forcing. Your RHO overscalls a white-v-red 2♦, passed to partner, who now bids 3♥.
Your system includes the auction 1♠-P-3♦, which shows an "invitational" hand with six hearts, meaning roughly a high-end weak 2♥ opening to a "some might not open it" 1♥ opening in valuation, anything less than GF.
Q1: What does partner have?
Q2: What do you bid?
-P.J. Painter.
#2
Posted 2008-January-06, 20:55
George Carlin
#3
Posted 2008-January-06, 20:57
Q1. Don't know, but see Q2
#4
Posted 2008-January-06, 22:05
#6
Posted 2008-January-07, 07:46
gwnn, on Jan 7 2008, 05:55 AM, said:
I agree with gwnn
#7
Posted 2008-January-07, 07:46
Pass.
- R. Buckminster Fuller
#8
Posted 2008-January-07, 07:56
The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.
The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.
If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.
-P.J. Painter.
#9
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:07
Q1: I would guess, that 3H is a fit jump,
assuming that he does not have a way
of showing 5 hearts and a spade fit with
less than gf values direct, so he did
choose 1NT.
The opponents gave him a chance to show
this hand via a the fit bid.
Q2: 3S, I wont pass, but my hand did not improve,
so I would go safe, partner can still raise to 4S,
for whatever reason.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#10
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:07
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 02:56 PM, said:
Obviously this depends a bit on opening bid style, but that hand looks like a 2H response to 1S to me.
#11
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:14
FrancesHinden, on Jan 7 2008, 09:07 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 02:56 PM, said:
Obviously this depends a bit on opening bid style, but that hand looks like a 2H response to 1S to me.
The system is 2/1 GF.
Also, the 1♠ opening can be frightening.
-P.J. Painter.
#12
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:20
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:
The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.
The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.
If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.
This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.
#13
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:27
MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:
The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.
The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.
If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.
This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.
The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.
1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.
2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?
3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?
-P.J. Painter.
#14
Posted 2008-January-07, 08:41
Pass.
#15
Posted 2008-January-07, 09:26
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 09:27 AM, said:
MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:
The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.
The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.
If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.
This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.
The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.
1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.
2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?
3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?
1. No, not on just 3 diamonds and an easy alternative. It would be a typical matchpoint gamble with the opponents vul to get the magic 200.
2. Sure. Opener usually bids 2♥ immediately with 4, so he can bid a three card suit rather freely after the double.
3. So opener bids 3♣. Responder can then choose from 3♦, 3♥ or 3♠ to descripe his hand further.
#16
Posted 2008-January-07, 10:19
kenrexford, on Jan 6 2008, 09:46 PM, said:
You hold ♠AQxxx ♥x ♦KJx ♣QJxx
and open 1♠ in first seat, at IMPs/KO. Your LHO passes, and partner bids 1NT, 99% forcing. Your RHO overscalls a white-v-red 2♦, passed to partner, who now bids 3♥:
1S-pa-1N-(2D);pa-pa-3H-??
Your system includes the auction 1♠-P-3♦, which shows an "invitational" hand with six hearts, meaning roughly a high-end weak 2♥ opening to a "some might not open it" 1♥ opening in valuation, anything less than GF.
Q1: What does partner have?
Q2: What do you bid?
So
1= A 3card Fit Showing Jump. An invitational hand with 5cH and 3cS: 35??
a= CHO can not have a hand with 6+H and Inv values. That's 1S-3D! here.
b= CHO can not have a min with 6+H. That's a Neg X here.
(...I don't like playing 5-1 "fits", so I am never passing 3H...)
c= CHO can't have an Inv hand with 5+H but no ♠ support. That's 2H here.
The only thing that makes sense by process of elimination is a Fit Showing Jump.
2= Let's see. I started with a minimum opening, and this auction has
2a= improved my hand?
2b= not changed my hand's value much?
2c= worsened my hand?
My vote is "c", so I bid 3S. YMMV.
#17
Posted 2008-January-07, 10:35
ulven, on Jan 7 2008, 05:46 AM, said:
Pass.
This is what I would expect. I had mentally constructed AQ-7th in the car this morning.
I pass 3♥.
#18
Posted 2008-January-07, 10:40
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 06:27 AM, said:
MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:
The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.
The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.
If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.
This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.
The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.
1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.
2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?
3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?
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Agree.
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I might leave it in. 2♦ x'd appears pretty juicy.
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You actually have to ask if it's right to bid a 3 card suit?
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Over 2♥, 4♥
Over 2♠, pass.
Over 2N, pass.
Over 3♣, pass.

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