[kenrexford]

2/1 GF.

You hold ♠AQxxx ♥x ♦KJx ♣QJxx and open 1♠ in first seat, at IMPs/KO. Your LHO passes, and partner bids 1NT, 99% forcing. Your RHO overscalls a white-v-red 2♦, passed to partner, who now bids 3♥.

Your system includes the auction 1♠-P-3♦, which shows an "invitational" hand with six hearts, meaning roughly a high-end weak 2♥ opening to a "some might not open it" 1♥ opening in valuation, anything less than GF.

Q1: What does partner have?
Q2: What do you bid?

[gwnn]

I suppose he shows a 3-card limit raise with heart values. I bid 3♠.

[655321]

Q2. We have a minimum opening, partner did not have enough to force to game, and we have a misfit as well. Hmmm... Pass. This is so obvious that clearly it was unsuccessful, else Ken would not have posted it.

Q1. Don't know, but see Q2

[jdonn]

3♥ is still natural. Perhaps he upgraded a hand he was going to bid 2♥ due to diamond shortness. Perhaps he is 6-4 and wanted to see if you would bid his sidesuit before he bid 3♥. If it sounds natural, it's natural, unless you are Ken Rexford Easy pass.

[Fluffy]

I'd pass unless Ken is my partner, then I will bid 3♠

[hrothgar]

gwnn, on Jan 7 2008, 05:55 AM, said:

I suppose he shows a 3-card limit raise with heart values. I bid 3♠.

I agree with gwnn

[ulven]

7-c suit, good playing strength, lacking top cards. Something like x/QJTxxxx/x/Kxxx.

Pass.

[kenrexford]

This is interesting.

The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings. "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem. The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.

The alternative, however, was the majority opinion. That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values. To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts. The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.

If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets. If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Q1: I would guess, that 3H is a fit jump,
assuming that he does not have a way
of showing 5 hearts and a spade fit with
less than gf values direct, so he did
choose 1NT.
The opponents gave him a chance to show
this hand via a the fit bid.

Q2: 3S, I wont pass, but my hand did not improve,
so I would go safe, partner can still raise to 4S,
for whatever reason.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.

Obviously this depends a bit on opening bid style, but that hand looks like a 2H response to 1S to me.

[kenrexford]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 7 2008, 09:07 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx.

Obviously this depends a bit on opening bid style, but that hand looks like a 2H response to 1S to me.

The system is 2/1 GF.

Also, the 1♠ opening can be frightening.

[MFA]

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

This is interesting.

The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings.  "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem.  The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.

The alternative, however, was the majority opinion.  That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values.  To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts.  The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx. 

If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets.  If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.

This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.

[kenrexford]

MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

This is interesting.

The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings.  "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem.  The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.

The alternative, however, was the majority opinion.  That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values.  To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts.  The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx. 

If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets.  If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.

This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.

The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.

1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.

2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?

3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?

[miguelm]

Partner has a Heart hand... something along the lines of what ulven posted, not necessarily with a Club suit.

Pass.

[MFA]

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

This is interesting.

The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings.  "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem.  The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.

The alternative, however, was the majority opinion.  That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values.  To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts.  The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx. 

If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets.  If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.

This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.

The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.

1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.

2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?

3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?

1. No, not on just 3 diamonds and an easy alternative. It would be a typical matchpoint gamble with the opponents vul to get the magic 200.
2. Sure. Opener usually bids 2♥ immediately with 4, so he can bid a three card suit rather freely after the double.
3. So opener bids 3♣. Responder can then choose from 3♦, 3♥ or 3♠ to descripe his hand further.

[foo]

kenrexford, on Jan 6 2008, 09:46 PM, said:

2/1 GF.

You hold ♠AQxxx ♥x ♦KJx ♣QJxx
and open 1♠ in first seat, at IMPs/KO.  Your LHO passes, and partner bids 1NT, 99% forcing.  Your RHO overscalls a white-v-red 2♦, passed to partner, who now bids 3♥:

1S-pa-1N-(2D);pa-pa-3H-??

Your system includes the auction 1♠-P-3♦, which shows an "invitational" hand with six hearts, meaning roughly a high-end weak 2♥ opening to a "some might not open it" 1♥ opening in valuation, anything less than GF.

Q1: What does partner have?
Q2: What do you bid?

So
1= A 3card Fit Showing Jump. An invitational hand with 5cH and 3cS: 35??
a= CHO can not have a hand with 6+H and Inv values. That's 1S-3D! here.
b= CHO can not have a min with 6+H. That's a Neg X here.
(...I don't like playing 5-1 "fits", so I am never passing 3H...)
c= CHO can't have an Inv hand with 5+H but no ♠ support. That's 2H here.
The only thing that makes sense by process of elimination is a Fit Showing Jump.

2= Let's see. I started with a minimum opening, and this auction has
2a= improved my hand?
2b= not changed my hand's value much?
2c= worsened my hand?

My vote is "c", so I bid 3S. YMMV.

[pclayton]

ulven, on Jan 7 2008, 05:46 AM, said:

7-c suit, good playing strength, lacking top cards. Something like x/QJTxxxx/x/Kxxx.

Pass.

This is what I would expect. I had mentally constructed AQ-7th in the car this morning.

I pass 3♥.

[pclayton]

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 06:27 AM, said:

MFA, on Jan 7 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jan 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

This is interesting.

The debate as to what this bid showed concerned two possible meanings.  "If it could be natural, then it is natural" did not solve the problem.  The concensus here seems to be that one of the two meanings was clearly correct.

The alternative, however, was the majority opinion.  That holding was a five-card heart suit and invitational values.  To have landing zones, it was felt that Responder should look like a Snapdragon hand, Hx (here known to be Kx) in spades and five hearts.  The proposed hand might be something like ♠Kx ♥A109xx ♦xx ♣Axxx. 

If Opener has this alternative, doubling and conversion often leads to +100, whereas +140 (3♠), +130 (4♣), and +600 (3NT) all are fairly good bets.  If you pass and Responder has this hand, however, -200 or -300 is fairly likely.

This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.

The takeout double option seems good, except it leaves some issues.

1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand? If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.

2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?

3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?

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This is a perfect take-out double of 2♦.

Agree.

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1. Would opener leave the double in with the actual hand?  If he does, the reopen leads to the wrong contract.

I might leave it in. 2♦ x'd appears pretty juicy.

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2. Would opener rebid a 3-card heart suit in response to the double?

You actually have to ask if it's right to bid a 3 card suit?

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3. What follow-up for Responder when Opener does bid?

Over 2♥, 4♥

Over 2♠, pass.

Over 2N, pass.

Over 3♣, pass.