Test your slam bidding - I
#1
Posted 2007-December-28, 14:55
♥void
♦A
♣Qxxx
You are dealer. The vulnerability won't matter, because I'm going to help you and say that whatever you do the opponents are silent. FWIW, its green so a 4♠ opening should never be considered.
You open 1♠ and pard bids a Forcing 1N call. Your next move?
#2
Posted 2007-December-28, 14:57
Of course, I have special techniques... LOL
-P.J. Painter.
#3
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:00
Anyway, my first move is a JS to 3C.
Opening this hand 2C could've possibly worked out better, but I wouldn't have done it. I opened 2C one time in a midnight on some 3-loser 10-count, and the opponents went ballistic about psyching. In a midnight.
#4
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:04
sceptic, on Dec 28 2007, 04:03 PM, said:
But 3 Spades looks like the right call to me especially as pard may not have the club fit I would like to see and could have a weak 2 diamond or weak 2 heart bid at the ready after a 2 level bid by the opener
Do you still make this call knowing that 3S is nonforcing?
#5
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:12
I rather like 4♦ if this is a "self-splinter" which I think is fairly standard since 3♦ would be GF. This tells partner immediately about the main feature of the hand (spades!) and also tells partner to discount diamond cards.
Whoops, somehow misread the shape. Obviously 4♥ (heart splinter) is much better than a diamond splinter.
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#6
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:15
awm, on Dec 28 2007, 04:12 PM, said:
I rather like 4♦ if this is a "self-splinter" which I think is fairly standard since 3♦ would be GF. This tells partner immediately about the main feature of the hand (spades!) and also tells partner to discount diamond cards.
Whoops, somehow misread the shape. Obviously 4♥ (heart splinter) is much better than a diamond splinter.
But diamond cards and club cards are not of equal worth....
#7
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:16
kenrexford, on Dec 28 2007, 12:57 PM, said:
Of course, I have special techniques... LOL
Forcing 2N? Gazzilli extensions?
All good and well. They cater to certain hands and ignore others, but I doubt you ever are really getting the true nature of this 8=0=1=4 across.
#8
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:25
joshs, on Dec 28 2007, 01:15 PM, said:
When given this problem I simply refused to jump shift into Qxxx. Partner is going to totally misevaluate Kxx or Axx.
#9
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:30
Failing that, I would bid 3♣ natural and forcing, intending to bid 4♠ next.
#10
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:31
pclayton, on Dec 28 2007, 04:16 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Dec 28 2007, 12:57 PM, said:
Of course, I have special techniques... LOL
Forcing 2N? Gazzilli extensions?
All good and well. They cater to certain hands and ignore others, but I doubt you ever are really getting the true nature of this 8=0=1=4 across.
Well, it is sort of interesting.
2NT would be a GF hand with any number of possible hands.
I'll assume a mundane 3♣ relay response. With diamonds or hearts and any shape, I bid that suit. Clubs is difficult to show. With notrump viability, you rebid 3NT. With no notrump viability, you rebid 4♣.
I could just bid 3♠, a GF call. But, I think I can do better than that.
After 3♣, I bid 4♠. This seems to send a club message and eliminate the possibility of any minor calls. Hence, per force, I need club and spade cards and nothing in the reds. Self-playing spades.
Tada!
-P.J. Painter.
#11
Posted 2007-December-28, 15:49
Otherwise I suppose I have to jump shift into 3♣ but I don't like it with bad clubs and eight good spades.
A self-splinter to 4♥ (or even 4♦) won't help partner as we are really only interested in club cards.
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#12
Posted 2007-December-28, 16:13
#13
Posted 2007-December-28, 16:22
If I was forbidden from bidding 2C, I'd never bid 3C in this auction. I don't see how partner could come close to placing my hand.
If I played 3S NF, I'd bid 4S at my second turn.
#14
Posted 2007-December-28, 16:43
#15
Posted 2007-December-28, 17:30
3♠ shows a strong hand 16-18, 6+ cards, good suit
So I bid that.
The 3♣ bid can work too, because it focuses pard on ♣.
#16
Posted 2007-December-28, 17:42
I thought of 2♣ (the hand needs some probing - keep it low), but, being so short on spades, there's a fair chance pard prefers clubs and passes 2♣ with
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#17
Posted 2007-December-28, 17:43
Pard now bids 3♥. He isn't a passed hand, so you can't rule out weak 2's and such, but we do play intermediate jump shifts, so if its a 6 bagger, he's limited to a 9 count or so.
#19
Posted 2007-December-28, 17:52
2♣ (or 2♦, he he) might work, but I doubt it. Similar problems.
-P.J. Painter.

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