[kfay]

Scoring: MP

(1♠)-P-(1NT)-P
(Pass)-?

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Do you agree with the initial pass? What now?

[mike777]

kfay, on Dec 17 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1♠)-P-(1NT)-P
(Pass)-?

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Do you agree with the initial pass? What now?

1) No I double.
2) Now I just pass.

[kenrexford]

No good solution.

For what it is worth, I have played a technique where a 1NT direct overcall with this sort of hand is used. You need a lot of checkback sequences, though. As a simple example, a Responder who would normall bid 2NT or 3NT would instead "transfer" to spades to check on stoppers. Similarly, Smolen or a 2♠ bid after Stayman also check on stoppers.

Without that, you pass twice, I think.

[hrothgar]

kfay, on Dec 18 2007, 01:58 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1♠)-P-(1NT)-P
(Pass)-?

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Do you agree with the initial pass? What now?

1. Yes

2. I pass again

[gwnn]

Just double, it's no BIG RISK associated with double but there is one with passing.

Now just pass m8.

[dake50]

With 15 and J,J,Q over opener, am I compensated for only 3cH? YES T/OX 1st
Now what's the hope for plus given partner passed? His S under whatever opener has, but rest says try for partial. reopen X.

[inquiry]

I use to pass these hands over 1S, but no more. I have too much and I do have support for all the suits. I would have doubled the first round. Not popular perhaps, but it has helped me since i started doing it.

[han]

I would double initially. Having passed I really have to pass now.

[neilkaz]

inquiry, on Dec 17 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

I use to pass these hands over 1S, but no more. I have too much and I do have support for all the suits. I would have doubled the first round. Not popular perhaps, but it has helped me since i started doing it.

100% agreement here, Ben. 15 HCP and good support in the 3 card suits is just enough for me, inspite of 4333. I find doubling now means that I have fewer uncomfortable decisions later in comp.

On the 2nd go, I have to pass as well. three small ♠ when the opps don't have a fit isn't pretty and we are all vul at MP.

If the opps make 1NT thats 90 for them, but if I double and we go off 1 in some 4-3 fit, thats 100 for them.

If we are beating 1NT by a trick we get 100, but if we make 2m on the nose we get 90.

Perhaps we are beating 1NT but after our double, the opps end up making 2 of something ? Perhaps we end up doubled and off 1 or 2 at the 2 level for a near 0. I think the risk of this is too much and won't be offset by the miracle 4♥ we may find (likely taking some gambling in the bidding to get that high). I think the risk won't be offset by the times we push the opps higher elsewhere and often if we make our 2 bid, we can take 1NT down 1.

Just my opinion .. neilkaz ..

[cherdano]

I feel strongly about doubling on the first round.

[pclayton]

You need to double 1st. I will still pass a flat 13 count but not a 15 count that this good. Too many bad things can happen if you don't act initially.

[jdonn]

cherdano, on Dec 17 2007, 10:37 PM, said:

I feel strongly about doubling on the first round.

Me too. Obviously a balanced 12 or 13 may be a different story but this is 15 and we have a reasonable way into the auction, probably our last reasonable way.

[whereagles]

I don't mind defending this one. Might have bid 1NT before, though.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

yes the first pass is ok, although a t/o double
would be ok as well.
Having passed the first round, you pass again.

With kind regads
Marlowe

[Edmunte1]

I see only two choices:
-initial double
-pass and pass

[FrancesHinden]

Edmunte1, on Dec 18 2007, 01:15 PM, said:

I see only two choices:
-initial double
-pass and pass

me too.
I don't feel strongly about the first round. I've seen doubles on this sort of hand work very well, and I've seen them work very badly. I haven't seen enough to decide if it's winning bridge or not.

1NT on the first round is horrible.