[pclayton]

♠KQxxx ♥Kx ♦Qxxx ♣xx

Pairs, red / white

1♥ pard as dealer, 2♣ on right, 2♠ you, 4♣ (preemptive) left, 4♦ pard, 5♣ right.

On a scale from 1 to 10 rate the following calls:

Pass, Double, 5♦, Other (?)

[Fluffy]

Pass 10
Double 8
5♦ 3
other 0


Pass should show diamonds, but it is not completelly clear, our hand isn't very big for ofense, double avoids missunderstandings and that would be my pick.

[whereagles]

rate..? huh.. ok, let's give it a shot. I'll assume pass is forcing here.

Pass: 8
5♦: 9
Dbl: 4

I guess what I'm saying is "it's close between 5 or pass the bucket." Pard is probably in a better situation to judge what to do, but he doesn't know one important thing about our hand, which is the diamond support.

[mr1303]

I double. No aces suggests strongly that the 5 level belongs to the opponents. I might make 5D but equally we might not. I think passing or bidding 5D would suggest a more offensive hand than I have.

[jdonn]

I would rate this way.

Pass = 10
5♦ = 8
DBL = 1

Double is pretty meritless with diamond support and nothing in clubs. It's not as though partner will bid 5 without a reason if you pass. This is a textbook forcing pass. You have support for partner but not enough offense to go on your own, yet no reason to think 5 is wrong if partner wants to bid it.

If I thought pass weren't forcing I would rate something like

5♦ = 7
Pass = 6
DBL = 3

based on the likelihood of each working to me.

[Echognome]

I would rank it:

Pass 10
5♦ 8
Double 4

Although I do not believe pass is forcing, I have shown some values with my 2♠ call. Yes I have no Aces, but why is my hand that defensive? I also know that partner always wonder why we're doubling here with xx in a non forcing pass situation. I think I would just leave it up to partner. I don't mind if he doubles or bids on, or even if he passes.

[Edmunte1]

Considering pass as forcing, my votes would be:

-5♦ -9
-Pass - 8
-Dbl -2

[han]

jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

Pass = 10
5♦ = 8
DBL = 1

Agree with this. I wonder what the top choice of the people who don't give a 10 is.

[whereagles]

Hannie, on Dec 16 2007, 09:31 PM, said:

I wonder what the top choice of the people who don't give a 10 is.

10 is for a perfect bid. I got none available, so 9 is my top

[Halo]

5D = 10

[pclayton]

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

I felt at the time that because of our minimum strength, death holding in clubs and secondary values in spades that doubling was best. Its easy to see how it could be right - make pard's hand something like: ♠x ♥AQxxxx ♦AJxxx ♣x and defending 5♣ looks right.

It actually didn't matchpoint too bad.

[dake50]

X =10; P =5; 5D =2
I want to give no impression of extras after 2S.
Esp no A which pass suggests =going higher looks ok from me.
5D is too high if 2 aces are missing.

[rogerclee]

If I trust my opponents at all, I hate double. RHO isn't crazy; he has a reason for bidding 5C against a partscore, whether he thinks he can make it, or if he's giving me a losing option over what he feels almost certainly to be 5D or 4S by me if he does nothing.

I also dislike pass. Sure, I don't have significant extras, but it sounds like partner is distributional, and the combination of 4 trumps and Kx in his other suit should play extremely well.

I rate it

5D = 10
P = 5
X = 2

[neilkaz]

pclayton, on Dec 16 2007, 08:03 PM, said:

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

I felt at the time that because of our minimum strength, death holding in clubs and secondary values in spades that doubling was best. Its easy to see how it could be right - make pard's hand something like: ♠x ♥AQxxxx ♦AJxxx ♣x and defending 5♣ looks right.

It actually didn't matchpoint too bad.

I hope I'm not resulting the hand, but I'd bid 5♦ rather than X for the reasons given by Justin and others, and honestly PD's 65 hand with a club void is so offensive that at MP vul I am pulling to 5♦ since I really think one Red suit game or the other is a clear favorite and that we won't hurt 5♣x NV enough.

[pclayton]

rogerclee, on Dec 16 2007, 08:11 PM, said:

If I trust my opponents at all, I hate double. RHO isn't crazy; he has a reason for bidding 5C against a partscore, whether he thinks he can make it, or if he's giving me a losing option over what he feels almost certainly to be 5D or 4S by me if he does nothing.

Did you notice the vulnerability? His reason for bidding 5♣ is because he thinks we have a game, not a part score. Do you really expect the bidding to suddenly die at 4♦?

[Raivis]

Double!

Mean 5C is especially bid for im bid 5D!

Double - 9
5D - 7
Pass - 4
Other (5H) - 1.

[helene_t]

Since both 5♦ and double are non-absurd, a forcing pass must be right.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Dec 16 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull.

[Raivis]

TNT for this hand probably is 19.
If we have 5D contract 5C contract down three. Loses 100 points!
If we not have 5D contract and 5C contract down two we win much more points!

After biding stage closed (5Cx) easy lead club!