[MickyB]

Close between P and 5♦. I agree that once you've doubled 5♣, it is absolutely clear for partner to pass it.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Dec 17 2007, 03:35 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 16 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull.

So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction.

At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say

[han]

pclayton, on Dec 17 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 17 2007, 03:35 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 16 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull.

So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction.

At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say

What are you suggesting Phil? That a double of 5C is forward going? Obviously without an agreement to the contrary a double is the least forward going call you can make. So it seems really wrong with Kx Qxxx in partner's suit and no club honors.

[Apollo81]

jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

I would rate this way.

Pass = 10
5♦ = 8
DBL = 1

Double is pretty meritless with diamond support and nothing in clubs. It's not as though partner will bid 5 without a reason if you pass. This is a textbook forcing pass. You have support for partner but not enough offense to go on your own, yet no reason to think 5 is wrong if partner wants to bid it.

If I thought pass weren't forcing I would rate something like

5♦ = 7
Pass = 6
DBL = 3

based on the likelihood of each working to me.

This seems about right to me.

[pclayton]

Hannie, on Dec 17 2007, 09:31 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 17 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 17 2007, 03:35 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 16 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?).

Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull.

So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction.

At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say

What are you suggesting Phil? That a double of 5C is forward going? Obviously without an agreement to the contrary a double is the least forward going call you can make. So it seems really wrong with Kx Qxxx in partner's suit and no club honors.

No I'm not suggesting a double is forward-going - quite the opposite. I'm suggesting a double is regressive.