[Walddk]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 13 2007, 01:40 PM, said:

But what is 'enjoying success' supposed to mean?

I am pretty sure Fred means "won national events". I agree with you that it's somewhat easier to win a national event in Tibet than in the UK.

Roland

[MFA]

whereagles, on Dec 13 2007, 06:52 AM, said:

I would rate expertise by measuring the average nr. of errors per board. In 20 boards, for instance,

<1 error: master (worthy of national team)
1: expert
2-3: adv
4-6: int
7+: newbie

Hmm, how about me then ?

I make around 30 mistakes / 20 boards, what is my ranking ?

[Walddk]

MFA, on Dec 13 2007, 02:07 PM, said:

whereagles, on Dec 13 2007, 06:52 AM, said:

I would rate expertise by measuring the average nr. of errors per board. In 20 boards, for instance,

<1 error: master (worthy of national team)
1: expert
2-3: adv
4-6: int
7+: newbie

Hmm, how about me then ?

I make around 30 mistakes / 20 boards, what is my ranking ?

7+: newbie

Not sure why we select you to represent Denmark

Roland

[paulg]

Walddk, on Dec 13 2007, 01:06 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Dec 13 2007, 01:40 PM, said:

But what is 'enjoying success' supposed to mean?

I am pretty sure Fred means "won national events". I agree with you that it's somewhat easier to win a national event in Tibet than in the UK.

Roland

Even within the UK, Wales is the easiest play to win a national event, then Scotland with England being the toughest.

Paul

[Aberlour10]

If we compare bridge to other sport disciplines and define "world class player" similar we do to basketball, soccer etc...I think, there are not more than 100 such players in world bridge.

Robert

[MFA]

Walddk, on Dec 13 2007, 07:09 AM, said:

MFA, on Dec 13 2007, 02:07 PM, said:

whereagles, on Dec 13 2007, 06:52 AM, said:

I would rate expertise by measuring the average nr. of errors per board. In 20 boards, for instance,

<1 error: master (worthy of national team)
1: expert
2-3: adv
4-6: int
7+: newbie

Hmm, how about me then ?

I make around 30 mistakes / 20 boards, what is my ranking ?

7+: newbie

Not sure why we select you to represent Denmark

Roland

Don't know why either, Roland.

But seriously, IMO is bridge a game of oodles of mistakes.

[slothy]

This issue seems to be one that crops up over and over again...seems it will never sleep. At the expense of mixing my metaphors to the point that not even i can extract any meaning from the melée....

There will always be some people who are convinced that others shouldn't be given the privilege to over-rank themselves (e.g. self-assessment) as it gives other people a distorted idea of the level of players they are playing against : even though they leave the table 10 boards later (or 1 in some extreme cases :0 ), realising that the person opposite wasn't the level he had (self-)assessed himself to be....

There will always be some people who are convinced that all players should be given the privilege to rank themselves as/so they continue to believe that they are at the level they have (self-)assessed themselves to be, even though people opposite (too often for it to be random occurrence) leave the table 10 boards later (or 1 in some extreme cases :0 ) and believe that they left because the person opposite hadn't stayed long enough to recognise the true haloed genius in front of him.

[helene_t]

I don't think anyone is disputing other people's right to calling themselves "experts", anymore than other people's right to calling themselves Nobel laureates, concert pianists or kama sutra specialists

Thinking about it, I don't really know what, if anything, we're discussing.

[FrancesHinden]

helene_t, on Dec 13 2007, 03:28 PM, said:

Thinking about it, I don't really know what, if anything, we're discussing.

I'm discussing whether to play in the national swiss teams in January at the moment.

[slothy]

helene_t, on Dec 13 2007, 09:28 AM, said:

I don't think anyone is disputing other people's right to calling themselves "experts", anymore than other people's right to calling themselves Nobel laureates, concert pianists or kama sutra specialists

Thinking about it, I don't really know what, if anything, we're discussing.

lol

[slothy]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 13 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

helene_t, on Dec 13 2007, 03:28 PM, said:

Thinking about it, I don't really know what, if anything, we're discussing.

I'm discussing whether to play in the national swiss teams in January at the moment.

I am discussing with my colleague which one of us has to go back down to the kitchen to put sugar in my coffee since she went to make me one and brought it up sugarless

[slothy]

Damn hussy,

she wins all these arguments

[PassedOut]

MFA, on Dec 13 2007, 07:50 AM, said:

But seriously, IMO is bridge a game of oodles of mistakes.

Absolutely (and embarrassingly) true. A player who makes only 7 errors in 20 boards will do very well indeed.

[sceptic]

ok lets take a guess how many people play bridge in the world

100,000,000 ?

how can you fit all these into 5 or 6 catorgorys

You are wasting your time trying to evaluate self ranking or even ranking by events won or any other way

The one thing I dislike about this repeated discussion is the attitude that we have any right to judge people, someone who plays this game and is what you may deem to be an under achiever in life, takes up bridge and enjoys it and collects points and gets to a rank that makes that person proud to have achieved, now we have experts that pour scorn on the rank (i.e. ACBL life master).

ACBL life master, they have earned that right to be called that, the issue is some do it quicker than others, some do it by persistance, some do it by ability

Just worry about your own rating and stop worrying about what everyone else has got, you know if you are any good and you know if your opps are crap, if you don't like your ops or pards, markem down and avoid them, it is easy on BBO

[blackshoe]

Well, obviously, if she neglected to put sugar in your coffee, it's your fault. You probably forgot to remind her.

[slothy]

yours truly, on Dec 13 2007, 09:35 AM, said:

Damn hussy,

she wins all these arguments

Her name by the way is Najia. She is of British Asian heritage and she is looking for a bloke she can bicker with and make his life a misery ( please come forward someone, i am sick of being a substitute [at least on weekdays and during office hours] until someone fills the above mentioned niche in her life)

if you are (quote) 'intelligent, sensitive, rich, funny, give-no-*****, like/love (my [said with inflexion]) kids (ie to paraphrase : dont selfishly think you gonna be using my body to have your own [ed.]) ' .... you meet one quarter of her criteria

You can only have sex on bank holidays and birthdays

Her motto is 'till dawn do us part'

Alex

applications in writing to my office

[blackshoe]

I take it she doesn't read these forums. Either that, or you're suicidal.

[finally17]

sceptic, on Dec 13 2007, 09:43 AM, said:

You are wasting your time trying to evaluate self ranking or even ranking by events won or any other way

Just worry about your own rating and stop worrying about what everyone else has got, you know if you are any good and you know if your opps are crap, if you don't like your ops or pards, markem down and avoid them, it is easy on BBO

It's not unreasonable to want to play with someone who can keep up with you. A semi-accurate rating system (self or results-based*) would allow that.

It's also not unreasonable to be annoyed with self-proclaimed experts. I'm not close to an expert, but I am better than a significant number of people that call themselves that on BBO. This not only annoys me for obvious reasons, it is also needlessly intimidating to people who are not good enough to realize that the self-rated expert is often no expert at all.

Maybe intimidation is their goal. Who knows?

Or maybe the definition of the word really has shifted so that much. In which case, I call for a new term. Suggestions anyone?

[Codo]

I am happily married, else....

I fit the describtion (at least the part I could translate) and of course I am World Class in Bridge too.

Funnily enough no one else shares this view. All blind and deaf I guess.

[pclayton]

Walddk, on Dec 13 2007, 04:06 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Dec 13 2007, 01:40 PM, said:

But what is 'enjoying success' supposed to mean?

I am pretty sure Fred means "won national events". I agree with you that it's somewhat easier to win a national event in Tibet than in the UK.

Roland

Competing in an NABC event over here feels more like a World Championship. In the Blue Ribbons in SF, it seemed like 1/3 of the pairs were non-US. It seems the weak dollar makes it real easy for the international pairs to compete here.