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#21
Posted 2007-December-04, 09:39
Roland
#22
Posted 2007-December-04, 09:40
You never heard of any type of adult club that charges in LA, NYC, London or Paris do such a thing.
If you think only leather clubs have a dress code you are sadly out of date from the club scene.
Why do I think the men tend to dress down, way down, more often in these clubs compared to the women.
If you really are not going because they make you wear pants below the knee or socks, ok.
I don't get a vote in the UK, but let the Brits decide.
#23
Posted 2007-December-04, 10:35
Walddk, on Dec 4 2007, 02:24 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Dec 4 2007, 02:11 PM, said:
All this stuff about dress is Tony Forrester's personal comments. As one of the best English players he is obviously worth listening to, but there is certainly no (new) official policy on dress.
What's your point, Frances? Do you mean that Forrester is in a better position to talk and give advice about clothes just because he is one of England's best bridge players?
As far as I know he is not employed by any major fashion company.
Roland
My point was badly put, I realised that afterwards.
Tony Forrester should have as much authority to comment on what the dress code for bridge events should be as any other bridge player who plays as much as he does. His bridge standard is irrelevant, but that amount he plays, the range of events he plays in, and the length of time for which he has played are not.
#24
Posted 2007-December-04, 11:02
FrancesHinden, on Dec 4 2007, 05:35 PM, said:
Walddk, on Dec 4 2007, 02:24 PM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Dec 4 2007, 02:11 PM, said:
All this stuff about dress is Tony Forrester's personal comments. As one of the best English players he is obviously worth listening to, but there is certainly no (new) official policy on dress.
What's your point, Frances? Do you mean that Forrester is in a better position to talk and give advice about clothes just because he is one of England's best bridge players?
As far as I know he is not employed by any major fashion company.
Roland
My point was badly put, I realised that afterwards.
Tony Forrester should have as much authority to comment on what the dress code for bridge events should be as any other bridge player who plays as much as he does. His bridge standard is irrelevant, but that amount he plays, the range of events he plays in, and the length of time for which he has played are not.
Of course Tony is normally 'at work' when he is at the bridge table, whereas the rest are at leisure. So his perspective is slightly different to the majority.
p
#25
Posted 2007-December-04, 13:15
Sandals and socks? Round here, that marks you as a tourist
#26
Posted 2007-December-04, 13:23
hrothgar, on Dec 4 2007, 08:00 AM, said:
Here in the US very few people seem to weak socks with sandals (or Tevas or whatever). I've noticed that in Germany the coverse seems true.
Personally, I prefer weaking socks with sandals (otherwise also those dust particles that get swept between your feet and the sandals turn into a nasty sweat paste). My mother is complete horrified by this fashion "statement" and constantly blows me ***** about it.
I've always believed it was a complete fashion no-no that looks silly. On the other hand, I'm about as qualified to give fashion advice as I am to dance in Swan Lake.
#27
Posted 2007-December-04, 13:27
There is no dress code for events that are purely bridge, such as the Winter Foursomes and 1-day events.
Of course, our climate means that t-shirts and sandals are rarely in evidence anyhow!
Paul
#28
Posted 2007-December-04, 14:28
mike777, on Dec 4 2007, 06:40 PM, said:
You're putting the cart before the horse.
You are assuming that the "great unwashed" has decided that they want to impose a dress code and arguing that the have the right to do so.
I am claiming that I don't believe that this assumption is warranted (regardless of what Tony Forrester might think). Moreover, I am suggesting that even if the bulk of the current members think that there should be a dress code, it might not be wise to impose one.
#29
Posted 2007-December-04, 14:40
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I'm in the US -- I don't know if office work is still more formal over there.
#30
Posted 2007-December-04, 15:53
I went to my local bridge club on a fairly warm day, with a semi-regular partner. I was wearing a sun-hat that I had purchased fairly recently on a trip to Corfu (a Greek island). I played a couple of rounds before a woman there told me to remove my hat, on account of the fact that she found it "offensive" and "bad manners". This hat had no logos on it whatsoever, and was a simple straw type hat typically found in sunny climates. This was a feeling backed up by the tournament director who refused to enter any discussion whatsoever. It was at this point that I realised that what I wanted from bridge what different to that of the bridge establishment. This happened some 4 months ago. I haven't been back to any bridge club since.
#31
Posted 2007-December-04, 16:03
mr1303, on Dec 4 2007, 04:53 PM, said:
I went to my local bridge club on a fairly warm day, with a semi-regular partner. I was wearing a sun-hat that I had purchased fairly recently on a trip to Corfu (a Greek island). I played a couple of rounds before a woman there told me to remove my hat, on account of the fact that she found it "offensive" and "bad manners". This hat had no logos on it whatsoever, and was a simple straw type hat typically found in sunny climates. This was a feeling backed up by the tournament director who refused to enter any discussion whatsoever. It was at this point that I realised that what I wanted from bridge what different to that of the bridge establishment. This happened some 4 months ago. I haven't been back to any bridge club since.
Well is this rude or bad manners in your home country or not?
If you do not care about manners, or feel you are above that sort of thing, fair enough.
I don't mean to be provocative but if this is bad manners then it is, if not then the lady showed bad manners.
#32
Posted 2007-December-04, 19:17
scoob, on Dec 3 2007, 07:11 PM, said:
Ties are an instrument of the Devil.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#33
Posted 2007-December-04, 19:23
FrancesHinden, on Dec 4 2007, 07:11 AM, said:
One problem with experts is that they often believe (or act as if they believe) that expertise in one field necessarily implies expertise in another.
Tony Forrester's expertise at bridge is unquestioned. His expertise in sartorial matters is another thing entirely.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#34
Posted 2007-December-04, 19:26
hrothgar, on Dec 4 2007, 08:00 AM, said:
I have no idea.
I'm wearing socks and sandals as I type. All I know is, I'm not willing to go out into the foot of snow 20 degree (Farenheit
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#35
Posted 2007-December-04, 22:33
cardsharp, on Dec 4 2007, 02:27 PM, said:
There is no dress code for events that are purely bridge, such as the Winter Foursomes and 1-day events.
Of course, our climate means that t-shirts and sandals are rarely in evidence anyhow!
Paul
At Scottish Congresses, such as Gleneagles, evening dress was mandatory. If a man did not possess a kilt, he wore tuxedo, cummerbund, bow tie and all.
More women than men seem to regret the deterioration of standards.
#36
Posted 2007-December-05, 11:29
nige1, on Dec 4 2007, 11:33 PM, said:
Could that be because women never needed to wear a tie anyway?
- hrothgar
#37
Posted 2007-December-05, 11:45
Hannie, on Dec 5 2007, 07:29 PM, said:
nige1, on Dec 4 2007, 11:33 PM, said:
Could that be because women never needed to wear a tie anyway?
Yes, and if men were allowed to wear panties and mini-skirts they would be all for it, I think. As it is, they envy the options we have.
#38
Posted 2007-December-05, 11:54
It becomes clear that all the talk about a dress code came about because Tony Forrester used dress as an example of how players' attitudes have changed. As Frances pointed out, the EBU's new initiative doesn't actually say anything about a dress code, so this discussion had nothing to do with the original point of the interview, which is a pity. They also went off on a tangent by discussing the reasons for the decline in bridge in general (clearly behaviour is one issue to consider there, but the interviewees had their own ideas of what is wrong which they talked about instead).
But they did at least manage to get across the idea that bridge is a competitive game, and we need rules about behaviour in order to deal with people who take the competitiveness too far. Of course, we did already have rules about behaviour before the EBU came along, but it seems that deciding to have a written code of conduct is somehow newsworthy.
#39
Posted 2007-December-06, 18:13
Saw Tony Forrester in London about 6 months ago....the LAST person on this earth to talk about dress codes....he was the scruffiest person in the whole building
(and the dress he was wearing wasnt really flattering anyway)
[felt so sorry for the poor bloke had to put 2p in the plastic cup he had in front of him
the minute i have to wear a tuxedo to play bridge, an item of clothing i do not own and never intend to , (bad enough to have to pay the exorbitant entrance fees) is the minute that i will .. ah waste of breath

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