Mini-Roman Opening Mini-Roman Opening
#1
Posted 2004-February-15, 17:12
I'm interested in how well it bids the hands overall versus the field (5cM in my case), rather than whether it would be a good use of the 2D bid in a standardish system.
Peter
#2
Posted 2004-February-17, 18:38
i had good luck when i played that way, which was also a strong club system, mainly because it does have a slight preemptive effect.. i'd have no qualms about using it in a 2/1 structure... though the hand is limited (11-15 or so), it can still be strong enough to make ops worry about whose hand it is, at least until partner bids.. and sometimes it's too late by then
the worst thing i can say about mini roman is, some usages for 2♦ may work as well
#3
Posted 2004-February-18, 03:43
2♦ is much better used for hands below opening strength.
#4
Posted 2004-February-18, 05:44
#5
Posted 2004-February-18, 14:57
#6
Posted 2004-February-18, 15:19
mikestar, on Feb 18 2004, 10:57 PM, said:
yeah, that seems more logical.. the way i played it, it promised nothing more than 4441 or 4450 (no 5 card major).. we did play mini/maxi tho, with opener rebidding 2nt to show the maxi.. i'm not too sure that's a great treatment
#7
Posted 2004-February-18, 15:54
2♦ - 2NT
3♠ - oh darn.... (2NT game try/force asking for short suit, 3♠ was short ♠ and responder had been hoping for a ♠ fit for his bid.)
The 2NT bidder had a fairly nice hand with ♠, but now there was no longer a safe landing space. Not sure how having a promise 4♠ helped, but they eventually had some 2♦-P-2♠ auctions against me where the 2♠ bidder had 3 only ♠s with some mixed results....
Now, I don't know why others promise ♠s (this wasn't their original idea), maybe it has more to do with 1m-auction starts.
ben
#8
Posted 2004-February-18, 16:15
Now if you decide to use 2D for Ekrens....
#9
Posted 2004-February-18, 16:53
#10
Posted 2004-February-18, 20:38
#11
Posted 2004-February-19, 03:08
#12
Posted 2004-February-24, 22:17
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#13
Posted 2004-March-21, 14:59
We have toyed with various response structures, and in my opinion it is not too important what you do, but is very important that you know it cold. It's pretty clear that 2H and 2S should be pass or correct, but beyond that, go nuts.
Incidentally, we don't play this way so much because it's good as because it helps the system work (in our case, allowing opener's new-suit rebid to promise a canape, or potentially a reverse canape when the second suit is clubs). The convention is, as others have opined, not valuable on its own, as it's too easy to show the mini-Roman hand using standard methods and too easy to defend aginst the final contract when it is used. The original Roman is theoretically valuable but rarely comes up; a multi system incorporating strong three-suiters is also technically sound. If you must play it, the range should probably be slightly higher than the standard 11-15 -- four-by-ones are not happy shapes, and as we've said the defense will be good. 11+ to 16 is more sensible. I've never seen a reason to promise spades, but it would take many, many hands to know what's best.
I'd enjoy trying a weaker range, maybe 7-10, but that ain't kosher.
If anyone cares, with exactly 4=4=1=4 we open a major and rebid clubs, if the other major is horrible; occasionally one notrump with a stiff diamond honor if that is in range; otherwise (normally) one diamond.
#14
Posted 2004-March-31, 09:19
Since 2nt is the only game forcing bid, if your singleton was spades, the bidding would go... 2d 2nt 3s
There are a series of hands which could then make this an awkward auction. Opener could be on the light side and although responder has 14, can't make any game bid. Responder cannot shut off at this point since opener is game-forced.
Responder could be 4234 or 3334 headed by the Qs -- scratch 3nt with an 11-12 pt opener hand.
I've recently employed using mini roman with having any 4441 and either 4405 or 4450. Furthermore, I use the submarine method for identifying the singleton/void (bidding suit below), which offers more room to bid. Responder can make a cue bid asking what range and if you have a void.
#16
Posted 2004-March-31, 10:36
My reason for posting, though, is that I am positive the rebid after the asking response (which I also seem to remember was not 2NT but the cheapest bid - 2 diamonds over 2 clubs; 2 hearts over 2 diamonds) was the suit BELOW the singleton, not the suit of the singleton.
The reason for this was so the responder could make asking bids by then bidding the suit of the singleton; with anything else being natural. I don't remember the whole structure, but I do remember we could NEVER play in opener's singleton (or void) as all bids in that suit asked something or other.
My only recollection of problems with opening 2 diamonds (or 2 clubs) was that we tended to preempt our own auction as well as the opponents! [Well, I do remember we constantly got into trouble, that is got bottom boards, because one or the other of us forgot the meanings of various bids.]