[ArcLight]

IMPS, red on white.

P - 1♣ - (1♠) - X
2♠ -?

What do you bid? (how would you bid white on white?)
Pass, 3♥, other?

♠ Q J
♥ Q 9 x x
♦K Q x
♣A 9 x x


EDIT - sorry I goofed when I posted this and wrote the opening was 1♥, it was 1♣, plus I messed up a card.

[neilkaz]

Red vs White and my QJ in ♠ maybe worthless. I wimp and pass and note PD can x again to reopen.

[the hog]

I bid 2NT as a puppet to 3C and then 3H to show a weak hand with 4H.

[helene_t]

What Ron said. Without that gadget I think I bid 3♥ although pass would be an option as well.

[whereagles]

Without good-bad 2NT. We can pass afford it because it's imps.

With good-bad it's closer. Bidding 2NT+3♥ is ok, but pass is safer. The ♠QJ tight is a BAD omen. Would definitely bid 2NT+3♥ WITHOUT those

[joker_gib]

3♥

[lilboyman]

Since we are playing imps at unfavorable vulnerability, I expect partner to have decent values for the negative double, certainlly not more than 9 losers and decenent Hearts. Under these conditions, 3 Hearts should be safe. If partner is not so conservative, pass.

[bhall]

When you expect 3♥ to go down 2 opposite partner's reasonable minimum, e.g., Kx Axxx xxxx xxx, I would say discretion is the better part of valor.

[han]

I would pass, interesting that other posters would bid 3H when not playing G/B 2NT.

[skjaeran]

Playing GB2NT I'd bid 2NT of course, else 3♥. It's almost unthinkable for me not to bid a 4-card ♥ in this auction.

[awm]

What is double in this auction?

How does double followed by 3♥ (if not left in) differ from a direct 3♥?

[han]

I play double as a good hand, typically with 3 hearts. I guess double followed by 3H (say over partner's 3C) would show close to a GF with exactly 3 hearts but still NF.

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Nov 16 2007, 05:37 PM, said:

The opps bidding and raising spades does not mean they have the AK.

But it sure makes them a heavy favorite to hold them... even more because people tend to overcall on good suits.

[neilkaz]

skaeran, on Nov 16 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

Playing GB2NT I'd bid 2NT of course, else 3♥. It's almost unthinkable for me not to bid a 4-card ♥ in this auction.

GB2NT...is something I need to teach to my regular BBO PD. We had almost the same auction tonite. We play leb so it will be easy for her to pick up.

Note that with this hand if you bid a direct 3♥ (I still don't) PD may carry on to 4♥ expecting you to have a bit more, but after GB2NT, you get passed in 3♥ although the opps may pick up on the fact you are weakish and get pushed into doubling.

That being said, if playing GB2NT, I'll do that and bid 3♥

[foo]

ArcLight, on Nov 15 2007, 09:47 PM, said:

IMPS, red on white.

P - 1♣ - (1♠) - X;
2♠ -?

What do you bid? (how would you bid white on white?)
Pass, 3♥, other?

♠QJ ♥Q9xx ♦KQx ♣A9xx

EDIT - sorry I goofed when I posted this and wrote the opening was 1♥, it was 1♣, plus I messed up a card.

The principle to apply here is "am I a minimum, Maximum, or average for the bidding so far"?

minimums should pass.
Maximums should bid 3♥
Average hands should make a call between those two extremes if one is available.

Here you have a minimum for the auction so far. Pass.

Responder is still ATT. Don't hang them when they hold a 6 count. Don't overexcite them when they hold an Invite+ hand. Let them have their chance to decide what is right for the partnership.

[whereagles]

foo, on Nov 18 2007, 08:01 AM, said:

The principle to apply here is "am I a minimum, Maximum, or average for the bidding so far"?

That is also known as the principle of de-responsabilization. I.e. "I need a reasonable excuse if my bid turns out bad." Pard has already asked you to take a part in the discussion when he doubled. I'm not saying that you should take action on this particular hand (I also wouldn't). Just that one needs to realize one is not just supposed to "bid your hand". One is also supposed to make decisions when the time is right.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Nov 18 2007, 03:39 AM, said:

That is also known as the principle of de-responsabilization.

I can't believe it, but foo is making more sense than the other guy!

[whereagles]

Still beats making no sense at all, like you do.