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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2007-November-11, 12:28

After 1S (2C) dbl (pass), what do you think is opener's normal rebid on a 5=3=3=2 minimum with roughly equal red suits?

And does it change if there is a big disparity between the red suits, eg KQx and Jxx or vice versa?
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Posted 2007-November-11, 12:32

bid 2 with equal and the better with disparsity i think. 2 is the "more flexible" call. and u can obv. rebid spades with a nice suit
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Posted 2007-November-11, 14:11

Am I not allowed to rebid 2S with a minimum?
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Posted 2007-November-11, 16:46

Rebid 2S with reasonable S, 2H if the fragment is ok, else 2D.
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Posted 2007-November-11, 17:14

It's pretty much suit quality between any of the three, but I would probably bid 2 the least.
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Posted 2007-November-11, 21:26

I'd almost always rebid 2 here as least of evils. Several reasons:

(1) Partner is less likely to pass 2 than any other call, since it's a minor. Often partner will bid 2 with doubleton for the same reason partner bids 2 over 1-1nt(f)-2.

(2) The 2 call gives partner room to bid hearts if he has a weak one-suiter, whereas a 2 call might get partner passing with 1-6-3-3 or the like.

(3) Partner has a right to raise my rebid with a fit. With invitational values partner will often raise 2 to 3 (on a 4-3) or 2 to 3 (on a 5-2) whereas partner will often try 2NT over 2 if he has a stopper (even with a diamond fit).
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Posted 2007-November-12, 00:03

gnasher, on Nov 11 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

After 1S (2C) dbl (pass), what do you think is opener's normal rebid on a 5=3=3=2 minimum with roughly equal red suits?

And does it change if there is a big disparity between the red suits, eg KQx and Jxx or vice versa?

Negative doubles are great when you have a fit. They are lousy when you do not and have to grope.

There seems to be no expert consensus when you need to grope. See BW magazine article Febuary 1991.

1d=(2c)=x=p
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AQ7...J73.....AQ94.....852


2H=13 VOTES
2S=9 VOTES
2D=8 VOTES
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Posted 2007-November-12, 08:44

If a heart 4-3 looks fine and a diamond 4-3 or spade 5-2 does not, I could easily bid 2 on 3. 2 only with a good suit.
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Posted 2007-November-12, 10:39

Depends on your hand, 2D should be the most frequent then 2H then 2S.
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