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Yet another matchpoint problem

#1 User is offline   mikegill 

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Posted 2007-November-08, 10:01

Scoring: MP

1 p 1 p
1NT p 2 p
p X ?


You choose to pull partner's 1N to 2. I don't care if you agree with this decision or not, you're stuck with it. Your call.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 10:13

Now 2. It is important to shut out the hearts.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 10:21

Yup, looks clear. I'm quite happy they protected, should mean we find the right strain.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 10:56

I would XX, expect it to go 2H X p p p and they go down a million.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 11:00

I'd pass, not having interest in competing and expecting them to have a decent shot to make 2X.

Good problem.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 11:08

I'm liking pass here slightly over redouble - the redouble might steer them into another strain. That, and if I bid 2 I get my just desserts doubled.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 11:18

Jlall, on Nov 8 2007, 04:56 PM, said:

I would XX, expect it to go 2H X p p p and they go down a million.

huh? they have at least an 8 card fit and can easily have more.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 11:26

whereagles, on Nov 8 2007, 01:18 PM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 8 2007, 04:56 PM, said:

I would XX, expect it to go 2H X p p p and they go down a million.

huh? they have at least an 8 card fit and can easily have more.

I doubt partner will double if they have a 9-card or better fit.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 11:42

whereagles, on Nov 8 2007, 12:18 PM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 8 2007, 04:56 PM, said:

I would XX, expect it to go 2H X p p p and they go down a million.

huh? they have at least an 8 card fit and can easily have more.

You have more than half the deck, they have at most 8 trumps when partner doubles them, and trumps aren't breaking well for them. Your diamond honors are located behind RHOs diamond length. I see no reason to think they will make if partner doubles them. Additionally you are playing MP and were almost surely cold for a partscore, so you have added reason to be doubling them.

Additionally XX will encourage partner to bid 2S or 3C sometimes when he wouldn't have otherwise because he knows we have values.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 12:34

I doubt pard will bid 2S if he thinks you might only have 4 of them... but ok.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:04

Redouble makes sense. This hand is very defensive. RHO couldn't come in over 1 and now decides to balance?

2 is vile on this suit. Its likely you are on a 5-2 or possibly even a 5-1 here.

3 is probably my second choice above a pass.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:21

pclayton, on Nov 8 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

2 is vile on this suit. Its likely you are on a 5-2 or possibly even a 5-1 here.

You didn't bid 2 over 1NT - surely partner will correct to 3 on any hand with a stiff spade? Some with a doubleton, too (2=3=3=5).

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I don't think we are favourites to take 2 two off, and I don't think +100 out of 2 would be a great score.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:32

MickyB, on Nov 8 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

I don't think +100 out of 2 would be a great score.

If we are setting it we should still double it if we're not going to compete.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:34

Apollo81, on Nov 8 2007, 08:32 PM, said:

MickyB, on Nov 8 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

I don't think +100 out of 2 would be a great score.

If we are setting it we should still double it if we're not going to compete.

Of course...but I am going to compete. That statement is justifying competing :)
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:40

Redouble.

One additional reason is that I have potentially way underbid this hand. If partner cannot double 2, I'm afraid that we might even have 5 coming in.

I mean, in support of clubs, this hand is huge. I have what now appear to be three honor covers (the diamond situation seems to now not be wasted concentration but working finesse), plus well-placed shortness. A spade finesse, if needed, looks to be working.

Give partner AK xxx xxx AQxxx, and 5 looks decent.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:42

I can't make up my mind :) I'm really not high on redouble, 2, or 3, but I don't like passing either. I guess I'll bid 2, who knows they might even compete to 3. I hate to redouble and just get 100 when we had 110 available.

I like this problem, it's an everyday sort of situation but still seems to be a very close call between at least three choices.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:43

MickyB, on Nov 8 2007, 11:21 AM, said:

pclayton, on Nov 8 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

2 is vile on this suit. Its likely you are on a 5-2 or possibly even a 5-1 here.

You didn't bid 2 over 1NT - surely partner will correct to 3 on any hand with a stiff spade? Some with a doubleton, too (2=3=3=5).

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I don't think we are favourites to take 2 two off, and I don't think +100 out of 2 would be a great score.

Don't agree. Its MPs so why would we subject ourselves to a 5-2 even on a decent suit?

Hopefully this pard likes to raise directly on 3 pieces.

If we get to a spade fit, I think its pard that should be bidding spades now, not us.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:48

kenrexford, on Nov 8 2007, 11:40 AM, said:

Give partner AK xxx xxx AQxxx, and 5 looks decent.

If thats its hand, we'll at least compete to 3 after a xx as pard won't be doubling 2.

The 2 bidders will play 2 which isn't that bad a spot but I'd rather be in clubs.

If we pass, I suppose pard will still bid 3 clubs.
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:51

pclayton, on Nov 8 2007, 07:04 PM, said:

2 is vile on this suit. Its likely you are on a 5-2 or possibly even a 5-1 here.

Only if you play american style, where 1NT might be a 1345 "unfit for rebidding clubs".
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Posted 2007-November-08, 13:55

pclayton, on Nov 8 2007, 08:43 PM, said:

MickyB, on Nov 8 2007, 11:21 AM, said:

pclayton, on Nov 8 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

2 is vile on this suit. Its likely you are on a 5-2 or possibly even a 5-1 here.

You didn't bid 2 over 1NT - surely partner will correct to 3 on any hand with a stiff spade? Some with a doubleton, too (2=3=3=5).

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I don't think we are favourites to take 2 two off, and I don't think +100 out of 2 would be a great score.

Don't agree. Its MPs so why would we subject ourselves to a 5-2 even on a decent suit?

Hopefully this pard likes to raise directly on 3 pieces.

If we get to a spade fit, I think its pard that should be bidding spades now, not us.

It's playing MPs that you do often want to be in 2M on seven-card fits...frequently there will be a trick more than in 1NT. Admittedly that's not that relevant here, where +140 in a 5-2 spade fit seems unlikely.

Given that pard is likely to have four hearts, I can't see him showing delayed three-card support for spades when they attempt to play there.
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