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Hog the contract, or not?

Poll: What's your call? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. Pass, obviously (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  2. Pass, but 4d is close (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  3. Pass, but 4S is close (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Pass, but 4d/S are close (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4d, obviously (11 votes [35.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.48%

  6. 4d, but pass is close (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  7. 4d, but 4S is close (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  8. 4d, but 4S/pass are close (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  9. 4S, obviously (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  10. 4S, but pass is close (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  11. 4S, but 4d is close (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  12. 4S, but 4d/pass are close (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Abstain, 2S was too revolting (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  14. Other (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2007-October-28, 13:23

Game all, board 7/10 of BBO TM, trailing by 15 IMPs. Decent p and opps but some weird things seem to happen at the other table. Csaba, Lynne, Rona and Mat are kibbing so you'd better do your best.

(2♥)-2♠-(3♥)-3N
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Posted 2007-October-28, 13:47

pass, and hope the diamond suit will yield the necessary tricks.

Even if we'd have bid 4♦ over 2♥ with a big 5+/5+ ♠/♦ hand, surely 4♦ is forcing and we really have no business inviting a high-level diamond contract. 4♠ is the other obvious choice, and I just don't like it.. it is a ten trick contract where partner's club suit may be of no real help. It might work, but this is a case of '3N ends (almost) all auctions'. If I held KJ109xx x AKxx xx, as an example, then I'd bid 4♠.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 13:57

4D

It's what I'd do. Can I ignore the fact that I have a very distributional hand.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 14:06

Pass.
I'm not comfortable pulling this, neither to 4♦ nor 4♠.
4♦ is surely forcing, and I don't think Ï can underwrite forcing to 4♠/5+♦.
We can easily have 4 top losers in a ♠ contract and 3 in a ♦ contract and have 9 quick tricks in NT. Nothing is certain, but I think we stand a better chance in 3NT than the alternatives.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 15:04

I'd pull it, 3N just doesn't seem like the right spot with this hand and partner will often bid it with 1 stopper hands. I would bid 4S as my spades are playable opposite a stiff (maybe? lol), and I have no aces so 5D is not an appealing contract.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 15:29

I bid 4♦.

It is not unreasonable on this auction that partner has 3 bullets and some diamonds. In that case, 6♦ could be a claim.

Aside from that, it is not unlikely that game in one of my suits is cold and 3NT could go down.

One could construct a lie of the cards where 3NT is the only making game, but it would be hard.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 16:06

i"ll bid 4♠
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Posted 2007-October-28, 16:20

4♦ or 4♠, depending on who pard is.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 16:28

4♦ but I added 4♠ is close. Communications in 3N could really be ugly.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 17:05

4s I am 6-5 yes?

If partner bid 3nt on a running club suit...I may not like this.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 02:06

4 ♦
I doubt that pd has just a stopper and a running club suit. He can bid 3 Club with that. So he has a semibalanced hand with no spade support, but if he is not 1426, my hand will often play better in a suit then in NT.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 02:09

I passed. P had
Q
AQx
Jxxx
KJxxx

Got a spade lead, hearts back (declarer stepped up), on the diamond preemptor stepped up and played a ♣ through to his partner's ace, ♥ back. -400.

Somehow our teammates collected 1700 so we won the match anyway. Not sure if 4♠ would have made, they might get a ♦ ruff.

Btw, I'm curious about those who voted that 2♠ was too revolting. I thought it was a wtp bid.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 11:08

4S.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 11:51

4♦. Clearcut to me. I'm highly offensive, and pard has found a call here. Pard can be on plenty of hands here so need to give them leeway.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:02

2s and then 4d seems like alot of freebid and suit shifting calls vul with this hand. I know I am point counting but don't points count when we are aceless and partner has not promised a big hand. We seem to be doing most of the bidding and shifting suits here, not partner.

In other words when partner has not promised a big hand, it seems making vul freebids and on top of that another freebid in a new suit at the 4 level would show more?
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:16

helene_t, on Oct 29 2007, 09:09 AM, said:

Btw, I'm curious about those who voted that 2♠ was too revolting. I thought it was a wtp bid.

I thought if you are going to bid 2♠ you need to explain why you prefer it to 4♦, on the assumption that everyone ought to be playing Leaping Michaels here.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:20

We had not agreed Leaping Michaels (I agree that it's a good idea, though).

Anyway I'm not sure if this hand is good enough for LM.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:23

2S is very normal
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:24

Just not enough tickets for a Leaping Michaels call. 2♠ is OK.
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Posted 2007-October-29, 12:36

Loser count is about right for Leaping Michaels, but need some aces. I like 2S a lot here.
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