[jdonn]

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 11:02 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 26 2007, 08:42 AM, said:

I just saw the poll, 2♠? Why would anyone psych at their first turn to call just because they are already minimum?

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2♠ is less of a psyche than 1nt.

Just think of 1NT as your default. A hand that you are not going to pass but that doesn't fit any other bid.

[skjaeran]

Speaking for those who open light, this is a clear 1NT for me. That's NF btw.

[cherdano]

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 10:02 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 26 2007, 08:42 AM, said:

I just saw the poll, 2♠? Why would anyone psych at their first turn to call just because they are already minimum?

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2♠ is less of a psyche than 1nt.

I have neither a concealed weapons permit nor a flamethrower, sorry

Seriously, this sounds like a bad teacher. While I would also teach in a beginner's class that 1N promises 6 hcp, saying it promises stoppers in the unbid suits is .....[censored] wrong.

[While I would teach beginners the 6hcp rule at first, I would also quickly try to explain them that this is only a guideline, and that there are 4hcp hands (xxx x Axxxx xxxx) that are much better than many 6hcp hands (xx Jxxxx Qxxx QJ). This will make life for them more difficult at the beginning, but I would hope they have more fun trying to find their own judgment rather than following strict rules.]

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 08:43 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 10:02 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 26 2007, 08:42 AM, said:

I just saw the poll, 2♠? Why would anyone psych at their first turn to call just because they are already minimum?

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2♠ is less of a psyche than 1nt.

I have neither a concealed weapons permit nor a flamethrower, sorry

Seriously, this sounds like a bad teacher. While I would also teach in a beginner's class that 1N promises 6 hcp, saying it promises stoppers in the unbid suits is .....[censored] wrong.

[While I would teach beginners the 6hcp rule at first, I would also quickly try to explain them that this is only a guideline, and that there are 4hcp hands (xxx x Axxxx xxxx) that are much better than many 6hcp hands (xx Jxxxx Qxxx QJ). This will make life for them more difficult at the beginning, but I would hope they have more fun trying to find their own judgment rather than following strict rules.]

Arend brings up an excellent point. Its fine to teach beginners what certain calls like 1N should mean (6-10 points, no support), but you should add in a caveat that certain hands with an Ace are better than hands with QQJ or even QQJJ.

Jilly - think about it. If you only have 6 points, its pretty tough to have the unbid suits covered.

1N is just a waiting bid.

[BillHiggin]

Stoppers for any 1N call are very overrated (a 1N overcall ought to have some semblance of a stopper in their suit - usually even a real one).
Once they finish running their suit, I will take the rest !
Especially in response to 1♠ - what else ya gonna do with run of the mill minimum responding hands that cannot raise?

Disclaimer - I do not claim expert status!

[jillybean]

OK, this is another instance where I need to get out of my old comfort zone and try it a little

I've survived (I'm not sure my partners have ) making the move from cueing Aces and voids to Italian cues, raising partners 1M response with only 3, opening on less than 13..

[jillybean]

Disclaimer: this has nothing to do with bridge

This thread has reminded me of when I first played “bridge” on yahoo and the auction went 1♥:2♥ 3♥:4♥ (don’t laugh, that’s how we would bid) then perhaps one of the opps bid 5♣!
We would inform the player that they were not allowed to bid like that and boot them from the table
Our rules, we hadn’t heard of the laws.

[Gerben42]

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This thread has reminded me of when I first played “bridge” on yahoo and the auction went 1♥:2♥ 3♥:4♥ (don’t laugh, that’s how we would bid) then perhaps one of the opps bid 5♣!
We would inform the player that they were not allowed to bid like that and boot them from the table sad.gif
Our rules, we hadn’t heard of the laws.

I was reprimanded for that kind of bid in my first game in the "relaxed" club of the Internet Gaming Zone. That didn't seem much relaxed to me.

[the hog]

Pass for me. I don't believe this hand is worth a bid.

[Free]

clear 1NT, anything else is nuts

[the hog]

Free, on Oct 27 2007, 04:21 PM, said:

clear 1NT, anything else is nuts

Just saw this, Frederick you are talking crap!

[Free]

The_Hog, on Oct 29 2007, 11:01 AM, said:

Free, on Oct 27 2007, 04:21 PM, said:

clear 1NT, anything else is nuts 

Just saw this, Frederick you are talking crap!

No smiley?