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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:32

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:43

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

Thanks. Would it be easy to work out
Average no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? (3 only when 4-3-3-3) for Norwegian methods?

Possible to get the figures of std american methods?
no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? :P :lol:
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:49

andych, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

Thanks. Would it be easy to work out
Average no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? (3 only when 4-3-3-3) for Norwegian methods?

Possible to get the figures of std american methods?
no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? :P :lol:

Yes it would be easy :)
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:54

From my experience playing Blue Club, where 4 card majors were opened frequently, the number of times you actually get to open a four card major is quite small. Since the Norway system restricts the 4 card major opening to hearts and only on very specific distributions, I would guess that one would actually open 1♥ with 4 cards so rarely that responder should assume that opener has 5.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:59

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

BTW what does the last statement mean? :P :lol:
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Posted 2007-October-26, 11:11

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Both Helgemo-Helness and Brogeland-Sælensminde play 1M-1NT as non-forcing. Same treatment after both majors.


Is 2over1 GF? :P :lol:
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Posted 2007-October-26, 14:48

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 11:49 AM, said:

andych, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

Thanks. Would it be easy to work out
Average no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? (3 only when 4-3-3-3) for Norwegian methods?

Possible to get the figures of std american methods?
no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? ;) :lol:

Yes it would be easy :)

Hahaha, good one.

I imagine the 5.9% means that 5.9% of all opening hands are opened 1H in this system.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 14:53

Hannie, on Oct 26 2007, 02:48 PM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 11:49 AM, said:

andych, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

Thanks. Would it be easy to work out
Average no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? (3 only when 4-3-3-3) for Norwegian methods?

Possible to get the figures of std american methods?
no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? ;) :lol:

Yes it would be easy :)

Hahaha, good one.

I imagine the 5.9% means that 5.9% of all opening hands are opened 1H in this system.

No, I meant with 5.9% of all hands will you open 1H in 1st seat, with the remaining 94% you will choose another bid or pass.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 14:58

Ah yes, that's what I meant of course, unfortunately not what I wrote.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:08

andych, on Oct 26 2007, 07:11 PM, said:

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Both Helgemo-Helness and Brogeland-Sælensminde play 1M-1NT as non-forcing. Same treatment after both majors.


Is 2over1 GF? ;) :lol:

For Helgemo-Helness I'm unsure - their CC don't tell. They used to play 2/1 as F1 only. Brogeland-Sælensminde play 2/1 as GF unless responder rebids his suit, which is invitiational.
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Posted 2007-October-27, 21:41

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

andych, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 26 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

According to my simplistic deal script (assuming 12-19 hcp 1H openings and 15-17 1N), the average number of heart is 5.21, the odds of having four hearts given the 1H opening is 13.8%, and the odds a hand is opened 1H in first seat is 5.9%.

Thanks. Would it be easy to work out
Average no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? (3 only when 4-3-3-3) for Norwegian methods?

Possible to get the figures of std american methods?
no. of ♣ for 1♣ opening? :P :lol:

Yes it would be easy :)

Grateful if you could post the answers. How often 1♣ provides only 3♣ for Norwegian / American methods ... :lol: :lol:
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