[gwnn]

Scoring: IMP

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(1♣)-1♠-p-2♥(forcing)
p-2♠-all pass

-500 (W forgot to double)

other table E opened weak nt W transfered and passed for +140.

[ArtK78]

You did not offer both as an option. Both are at fault, but the blame goes primarily to South for that overcall.

South's overcall is awful (I know from reading these threads that many will disagree with me, but that's life). North bid hearts - that was sensible. South's rebid of that awful spade suit was an abomination. He should pass (assuming that 2♥ was not forcing). North has a problem, but he should probably rebid his hearts.

3♥ won't be a success, but it is unlikely that it will be doubled.

EDIT: I see that the 2♥ bid was forcing. North has his bid, but he should continue by bidding 3♥. South has little choice over 2♥ but to bid 2♠ (yuck!). He can't very well introduce his diamond suit. But the result should be the same - North should rebid 3♥ and that will be the final contract.

[P_Marlowe]

Partly bad luck, and the rest South.
The overcall is at best sub. min., and
I can only understand 1S if you could not
show the 2-suiter, i.e. a Michales Cue would
have shown the mayor, and now some
share goes to the methods.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[andy_h]

North should rebid 3H. If the partnership is allowed to overcall light, maybe having 2/1 bids by advancer as constructive NF is best.

[brianshark]

I'm actually going to give more blame to north than south for the failure to pull to 3♥ which is the correct bridge decision. The overcall was crap but some people can't pass and it's more partnership style than anything. Plus they can often work out if you find a fit. And the methods are standard enough so I won't blame them either.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I'll yell at any partner for overcalling a hand like that! In no way do I condone it!

[Codo]

Hang south for this 1 Spade bid.
But if this is okd in your partnership, play 2 HEart as nonforcing. Else you will often be in such an awkward situations.

[vang]

methods. play rubens advances.

[jdonn]

North should rebid 3♥, all the more knowing that the 2♠ rebid doesn't show good spades but just a minimum.

I also agree with the sentiment that it's ok to be able to overcall on these hands (well better than ok) but if you do you want to play a new suit as non-forcing. New suit forcing makes sense if the style is sounder.

[awm]

I will blame the methods.

It's okay to overcall on lousy hands with some shape. And it's okay to play new suits forcing when advancing partner's overcall. But these two things really don't go well together. If you play a style where you overcall on junk, you need some non-forcing responses to get out of overcaller's lousy suit without having to play at the three-level.

Rubens advances are nice too, although they can be abused.

[helene_t]

Forcing advances fit better with a sound overcall style.

[Edmunte1]

1. Overcalling style - just overcalling a 6hcp hand at unfavorable with a bad 5 card suit cannot be winning bridge (not for me at least). Overcalling at this colours should show either a good suit or a decent hand.
2. Response methods, playing new suit as NF or Rubens Advances is much better

[FrancesHinden]

jdonn, on Oct 25 2007, 05:17 PM, said:

North should rebid 3♥, all the more knowing that the 2♠ rebid doesn't show good spades but just a minimum.

I also agree with the sentiment that it's ok to be able to overcall on these hands (well better than ok) but if you do you want to play a new suit as non-forcing. New suit forcing makes sense if the style is sounder.

Yeah, what he (and most other posters) have said.

[whereagles]

I guess if South pass, his LHO will bid something and pard will butt-in with 2♥. After this, opps may or may not bid, but in any case you'll have a lesser problem.

After South's 1♠, there's no reasonable way to stop below the 3 level, though I think North should press on with 3♥. Rubens advances wouldn't change this much: if North transfers and South accepts, wouldn't you make an invite in 3♥?

[bid_em_up]

I voted methods although I would prefer to give all the blame to South for overcalling this trash vulnerable.

[skjaeran]

vang, on Oct 25 2007, 05:41 PM, said:

methods. play rubens advances.

Agree. Easy stop in 2♥.

[kenrexford]

If I overcall this type of junk (SOUTH), I'm jump overcalling (WEAK) 2♠. But, I'm not doing that red on white.

Some people do. I think this deal provides one atrgument against. I'm sure there are other arguments for, and solutions, and caveats. I just like 1♠ overcalls red on white to mean something meaningful.

[pclayton]

I like New Suit Forcing after overcalls, except in a 2/1 situation.

[dicklont]

The South hand is not good enough for a 1♠ overcall.

[gwnn]

would N really really pass south's simple trnf completion?

wouldn't S also bid 2♥ on

AKxxx
Kxx
xxx
qx

?